To think all knives including religious ones should be banned, after what happened to Henry Nowak

[BritIndianGal]

A more sensible thread this time. I think all carrying of knives should be banned with no religious exemptions allowed , the law should be called the Henry Nowak Bill ....in memory of the young man who lost his life

I've never had reason to do all sorts of things, I don't want them banning! Yes people take their knives to be sharpened, my butcher does it for free, he's much better than it than me! It makes the world of difference.

You'd have a connuption if you saw the horihori knife I use.

So you've never had to buy any kitchen or cooking knives? Never had to use a pen knife or camping knife?

And of course people have to sharpen their knives, they go blunt with use.

People carry knives for all kinds of reasons. I take my kitchen knives to be sharpened professionaly. You might take a knife on a picnic. I help cater for events and need to take knives for cooking and serving. People who hike, trek, mountaineer all need knives for cutting undergrowth or ropes.

DH is an electrician and carries a knife for work.

How would you even get a knife home from the shop?

The knife used in the killing would have been illegal to carry anyway, as are most knives used in crimes (possibly all, since the excuse for carrying them is either self defence or aggression- neither of which are legal exemptions).

The problem in this country is we get knee-jerk, badly designed laws every time something bad happens. Then we wonder why the police and courts are over stretched.

Electricians, plumbers, handymen, gardeners.

The problem is not carrying knives.
It's using knives.

The Sikh community have been a model.of integration thus far and have exemptions for crash hats and tiny knives.

The problem is this sht of a family*

And of the police being poorly trained about internal bleeding

And of the fear of being accused of racism

And of this sht of a person being happy to kill and leverage a way of thinking*

BAD LAWS ARE MADE FROM BAD CASES and especially from single instances.

Focus the disgust where it should be - on this savage idiot. Hike his sentence further, I don't care, but don't punish a community that already disowned him, and don't give in to unfocused actions.

The knife used to kill Henry Nowak was legally held.
The killer belongs to a sect of Sikhs that habitually carry two knives - one hidden and one on view. Perfectly legally.

The fact that the lethal knife wasn’t a kirpan is irrelevant - it was held legally under religious exemptions to UK knife laws. Exemptions that only apply to Sikhs. It could easily have been a second, larger kirpan.

Read the statement by the Judge. He mentions that the second knife was legal.

Or fresh fruit ?

("It was a viscously sharp slice of mango, sir.")

Hadn't he been banned from the temple so wasn't a practising sikh?

Even if you bann knifes, ceremonial blades and genuine tools, there will always be some idiots carrying one with the intent to harm someone or something.

Do you know how many injuries/deaths are caused by the use of a kirpan in the UK
annually?

Not a 'trick' question! Just genuinely interested?!

If changing the law wouldn't have made any difference in this tragic case, what's the point unless there are other deaths using

Kitchen knife from Ikea , brought home in the box and never left home after that.
I do see your point though.

It’s already illegal to carry a knife for which you have no legitimate use. It’s already illegal to carry the knife that was used in the killing in the way it was carried.

I use my Swiss Army knife all the time when camping and on picnics.

No idea. I’m only going by the statement from the Judge. I feel fairly confident he probably had all the relevant information to hand.

My friend is a chef, if he is working st. a function he has to carry his knife roll… it’s already a banned blade that was used.

More people are killed by dogs than kirpans.

#justsayin'

100 percent agree. There is never a legitimate reason to carry knives around. Also allowing some groups to carry knives but others is 2 tier policing.

I take a blade to work because the blunt tools provided by my employer are more likely to result in injury.

All of this!!

This would be somewhat tricky for our family, given that DS is a chef and DH and I both teach bushcraft to children. There have always been legitimate exceptions to the law on weapons. They are not the problem. Knife attacks are pretty much always committed with a weapon that doesn’t fulfil a legal exception - this applies to the Henry Nowak attack as well (it wasn’t done with his official kirpan, and it wasn’t the only blade he was carrying).

What happened in this case was tragic. However, how many such crimes have Sikh men committed? It does not appear to be a widespread problem, more an isolated case.

No point banning them if people aren't prosecuted for carrying, which they generally aren't

What on earth? That is a baldly racist comment. You used to think “they” were gentle souls? What, all of them? Are white British people all identical as well, or does it only apply to brown people? 🤦🏻‍♀️

Are you always so openly ignorant and racist, or is today a special occasion?

Firstly, I don't give a FF what ChstGPT 'says'

Including chefs & fencers 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 you really are being unbelievably unrealistic.

how do you think chefs, fencers, builders, decorators, plumbers (the lust goes on) are going to do their trades???