To think all knives including religious ones should be banned, after what happened to Henry Nowak

[BritIndianGal]

A more sensible thread this time. I think all carrying of knives should be banned with no religious exemptions allowed , the law should be called the Henry Nowak Bill ....in memory of the young man who lost his life

A single scalpel blade, tiny wee thing, is a very effective killer.

Could ban drinking straws too. I can take someone out with one of those too, randomly. Not one of those shitty tissue paper McDonald's ones though. Probably. Might have to do a test on a potato 🤔

I'm struggling to tell if you're being deliberately obtuse now to be honest.

You can recognise and respect a different culture and religion without having to take it upon yourself. People who come to Britain irregardless of the route still have the autonomy to choose their own identity and to what extent they take on British cultural or religious behaviour.

And can you really not understand why someone might migrate to flee war, famine, forced marriage, torture? Really?

Just because you've been privileged enough to not need to seek asylum doesn't mean its not what you would do if you were in that situation. And it's not to say that you will never end up doing it in the future if the UK is impacted by war or climate change.

Many chefs have their own set of knives that they absolutely do carry to and from work with them. That's not uncommon at all. A good set of knives is expensive; they wouldn't leave it around for anyone to use.

But you aren’t allowed to carry your sharp blades on view in public without consequence.

That is the difference.

Right now?

It means seeing that continuing to wear knives is potentially not a good idea with the future generations getting confused or using it wrongly, and discontinuing it would be a British thing to do

Not arguing over whether Azad Kashmir is 'My country's' or My Pakistani friends country's' because we both became British citizens and 'our' country is neutral on this (and from what I see, we're good here with this)

Coming here for a reason ? Like You grew up loving Beatles music, or Agatha Christie or Jane Austen or reading about those sexy tudors? And the first sight of Big Ben in real life took your breath away.

I mean what is a good reason to come otherwise. If you want everything to be the same. And I am not saying anyone isnt a good immigrant, I am just saying for the Love of God , lets not give sick young people a chance and excuse to wear knives

Anyway, I need to find another way to mourn quietly now, the video should come with a trigger warning but the parents have to live this forever now.

The worst part was how everyone just stood around while a kid bled on the ground

I was neutral on Kashmir even before I moved here. Mrs P will be glad to hear that I know that I don't know , with that one

'Everyone' suggests throngs of people. There were two police officers, the two brothers, and the brothers' father. The brothers and father didn't care, the police were incompetent. The fatal wound was internal, so no blood on the ground, which is not excluding the police but it adds to our understanding of what happened.

I meant the killer and his family, I dont think the police knew he had been stabbed

I do not understand why they would handcuff someone just on someone else's say so of racism though

None of this makes sense

Maybe we should make murdering people a crime? That'd stop it, surely?

Look I understand. I came running too in a way from Patriarchy, lack of safety for women, casteism

Is it that hard for me to not wear a tikka sometimes if I am in a Pakistani majority neighbourhood just to feel safer or less inflamatory , to not go back to what I came running from?

No.

Because if not, then the baby gets thrown out with the backwater. And one day someone like Nigel will come to power like Trump did and they will throw out the baby with what they see as bathwater.

What is the baby and what is the bathwater in this analogy?

Baby = Immigrants who commit no crimes

Bathwater = A(n immigrant family) second generation Brit who has committed murder of a white person

Throwing out = is by Reform governments

I think you have a hidden agenda (or not so hidden) against the Sikhs. Probably a fan of modi and want to get rid of anyone who isn’t Hindu.
did your family take part in the hate crimes against Sikhs in India in 1984?

Im from the southern most part of India, the bit closest to Sri Lanka. Nowhere close to North India

And no

Everyone has to have an agenda? OK my agenda is stop the bits of each and every religion, starting with Hinduism, that no longer make sense in today's world

Lets use daggers when we are living in caves again fighting lions ( but lets do it compassionately even then), lets outlaw guns, lets stop violence of every sort.
Lets stop carrying weapons. Arjuna carried a bow and arrow and Krishna said to use it against 'in defence of good' in the Bhagvad Gita. I dont need one today because its not the year BC 3000 anymore

Have never heard a single speech as I recall of Modi's

I cant speak Hindi (more than a broken smattering) and I watch bollywood movies with subtitles

Actually not fully educated in what hate crimes from 1984 ? Will go read up. I know 'we' had a Sikh prime minister for a long time, he liberalised our economy in 1992 and he is probably my favourite PM ever (Manmohan Singh)

The only hate crime I know from that part of the country is the Jalianwala Bagh massacre (put into our History textbooks with no trigger warnings) but from memory , that one wasnt committed by Indians

Do you have kitchen knives how did they get in your house?

Manmohan Singh would probably agree its time to take the knives away

That would be an ecumenical matter, Prime Minister 😀

Drivers kill, on average 5 people a day in the UK, but you're not asking for cars to be banned? This is a terrible loss of a life, however you look like a hypocrite for wanting to ban religious knives but have no issues with drivers killing multiple people, and injuring more, every day

It’s standard behaviour in the UK to drive a car, done by women and men of every variety, a norm, it’s not standard behaviour to carry a knife around that is something that has been granted (contrary to common sense) to people who have certain beliefs. That right should not have been granted and should be made illegal.

I have a set of knives in my camper van, for cooking. The van also is used regularly just as a normal vehicle.

I also have a river knife, usually kept in my buoyancy aid in case of entanglement when kayaking.

Nothing.

As awful as it is, Henry was in the wrong place at the wrong time. If it wasn’t him it would probably have been someone else who happened to walk past Vikrum 5 minutes later.

Evil, violent people exist, they always have and they always will.

Stopping Sikhs from carrying their religious artefacts is not going to change this fact in any way.

YANBU all knives should be banned and there should be a massive crackdown with harsh penalties for carrying one. We could have an amnesty first then a big crackdown with instant significant jail time for carrying one.

The problem for the police is that they failed to prioritise the welfare of a person lying on the ground. That is the first thing they should have done and what they are trained to do first. Next, they dismissed Harry's assertion that he had been stabbed and took no action on any of the nine occasions he said he could not breathe. Then they handcuffed a person who was not resisting arrest and who posed no risk to anyone as he was prone on the ground (as we now know because he had been stabbed).

I must admit to having some scepticism that this is purely a story about anti-white racism and DEI training resulting in a person from an ethnic minority being prioritised over a white person. The right are pushing this line unashamedly, and politicising Harry Novak's death against the plea of his family.

Confirmation bias seems to me to be a more significant driver than race in this case. This in turn led to the series of errors that followed. The police turned up believing they were attending a racist incident, and one that did not involve stabbing. The the aggressor's brother told the police on the phone that no-one had been stabbed and said that his brother's turban had been ripped off as part of the racist attack. That information would have shaped the approach of the officers who attended the scene.

None of this excuses the deeply flawed actions of the police but it does show that the narrative is not linear but multi-faceted. The idea that the police are trained to, and do, disadvantage the white majority while favouring those from ethnic minorities serves no-one and is a demonstration of reckless political leadership.