To think Nigel Farage should be locked up?

[nobodyssons]

He was inciting violence with his “address to the nation” speech, calling for rage.

Meanwhile, he doesn’t care when women are actually murdered by the police

https://x.com/nigel_farage/status/1371213488882847749?s=46

Surely enough is enough and they need to take action?

Oh look! Another self interested arsewipe.

Just like British politicians sticking their nose into the George Floyd affair.

Yes

Wasn’t Henry’s family half Polish so that makes Vance’s statement even more problematic

No it’s not the same thing BUT, if they had listened to the victim, they could have had an ambulance there in minutes. That would have given him a better chance of survival.

Since when do ambulances arrive in minutes ?

My personal view is that there is both.

There is undoubtedly ‘old-school’ racism and bias (eg Charing Cross tapes, the revelations that came out after Sarah Everard, etc).

Also plenty of examples of police failing to be neutral on ideological or identity grounds, eg turning a blind eye to grooming gangs in Rotherham, one-sided policing of GC/trans issues, painting their cars in Pride colours, senior officers taking the knee during BLM, accepting open criminality at Notting Hill Carnaval that would probably have any other event shut down, etc.

To me that is all genuinely two-tier policing based on which causes are politically fashionable. I think it is also very bad policing.

I think you might be on to something there, after all isn't policing supposed to be 'without fear or favour'? They are supposed to remain neutral at all times and your points are valid, as I hope most would agree. That being said, even a full HEMs team arriving at his side within a couple of minutes probably wouldn't have saved poor Henry. As I have said before on this thread, that was not a survivable injury. He should have died feeling the comfort and kindness of decent people and tragically he did not. All we can do is hope for better police training and a very thorough enquiry into what went wrong. Shouting, wheelie bin chucking and brick throwing helps nothing. The decision to hold said thorough enquiries had been announced BEFORE the disorder even started so there really was no excuse for it or Mr. Farage's weaponising of a tragic situation.

Evidence suggests crime and poverty are linked. People from some ethnic minority backgrounds have higher rates of poverty than white British. Probably some correlation there.

Indeed this. Interesting also that when a woman is actually murdered by a police officer, women hold a peaceful vigil - notably unsupported by male politicians. When a white man dies as a result of police failure having been stabbed by a brown skinned man, men go on the rampage, eagerly fuelled by male politicians on both sides of the Atlantic. Farage and Trump know exactly what the main demographic of their voters is. And yet it's white men who feel threatened?! Women should be very afraid. Why are they not talking about the epidemic (pandemic) of male violence, I wonder? Why isn't anybody? The only time women and children are considered is when it suits their white male supremacist agenda.

This.

Exactly, weren't they all 'taking the knee' and encouraging all the unrest.

In 2018, David Lammy described Trump as a "tyrant" and "a woman-hating, neo-Nazi-sympathising sociopath". Yes he's since backtracked but I've no idea why some on here are so very horrified at US politicians criticising the balls ups in this country when ours do exacty the same to them.

I agree.

Quite often. Average response 7mins for cat A which this obviously was if they hadn't lied when calling 999 and made up the racist bollocks.

True.

I don’t think you understand your own figures. Try combining all the black groups.

We used to have a local bike motor cycle show with bands etc.

The Police took no notice of drug use, illegal bikes/loud exhausts

Same at Glastonbury, i ve been to Notting hill carnival and to a huge multi day m/c race in southern France, with a great deal of illegality, inc very hi speeds on local roads.

Police enforce the law with consent, charging in arresting people in mass participation events would lead to riots and violence which they could not deal with.

As Pride rallies are totally legal, usually very peaceful (unless the far right get involved) not quite sure why you've a beef about these.

'As Pride rallies are totally legal, usually very peaceful (unless the far right get involved) not quite sure why you've a beef about these'

The pp didn't say they had a 'beef' with pride rallies they pointed out painting police cars in daft colours representing an ideology does not equate with neutrality, which is true. Plenty of platforms for supporting causes, it is not the role of the police to promote them.

We want them to be able to function effectively in chaotic scenes and recognise when someone is collapsed and needs immediate medical attention. Not drive about in pretty coloured cars.

Policing with consent relies on public trust that police will be fair and impartial.

Aligning the police with causes directly undermines that.

Labour Party rallies are usually peaceful. So are GC campaigners. So are Catholic masses, Muslim Iftars and Jewish Seders.

It would be utterly appalling and corrosive to have police cars in Labour, GC, Catholic, Muslim or Jewish colours. Becuase neutrality matters.

The number of cop cars painted in Pride colours is tiny and homosexuality etc has been discriminated against for many years and still is, the act of aligning with Pride is to tell the public that the Police will be neutral when dealing with the LGBT community.

Totally different from paint cars in a political parties colours, as well you know.

'The number of cop cars painted in Pride colours is tiny'

Tiny but very well publicised as we are all aware of them.

They don't need to paint cars to support causes. They're the police we should be able to presume they support all causes.

Their priorities should be public safety and assisting collapsed people needing immediate medical attention but sadly not.

No I don’t know.

My view is that the police aligning publicly with any political cause is wrong.

And I believe Pride is political: it was meant to be, that was the point, and it’s still highly contested, as we can see with the sex-based vs identity-based rights clash, with arguments about where Q and T belong, with progress vs pride colours.

That should be a big warning sign for the police to stay clear.

How many police cars would you consider acceptable painted in colours of Labour, Tory, Israel, Palestine, Buddhist, animal rights, farmers welfare, etc etc etc. Would you support a police car in suffragette colours to police a women’s rights rally? Or a trans rights one?

There’s a massive problem with antisemitism in the U.K., but I can’t see a police car with a Star of David on it going down well.

I wouldn't be happy if I attended a Pride march, found myself the victim of a petty crime (or worse) all whilst a number of police at the front were lined up and dancing the 'Macarena'🙄. That is not policing.

Let's see what Vance does in his own country then. He has some form on this kind of rhetoric. Sadly, a victim's father had to call out the falsehood:

Father of Aiden Clark blasts Trump, Vance for using son for ‘political gain’ - The Washington Post