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To think Nigel Farage should be locked up?

904 replies

nobodyssons · 04/06/2026 07:05

He was inciting violence with his “address to the nation” speech, calling for rage.

Meanwhile, he doesn’t care when women are actually murdered by the police

https://x.com/nigel_farage/status/1371213488882847749?s=46

Surely enough is enough and they need to take action?

Nigel Farage MP (@Nigel_Farage) on X

We must not allow the tragic murder of a young woman turn into attacks on men and attacks on the police.

https://x.com/nigel_farage/status/1371213488882847749?s=46

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Pippin2017 · Yesterday 18:49

YouGoldSquid,

'When I heard the absolute nonsense about American becoming a fascist state, I could not believe the absolute and utter ignorance of those saying it. To make it worse, these people know better. They know our systems are rock solid and organized such that this is an absolute impossibility.'

You're not worried by some of the things Trump is doing, for which he should have Congressional approval but hasn't? Where are the checks and balances?

1dayatatime · Yesterday 18:52

Teanbiscuits33 · Yesterday 18:07

If I want to call Farage an arsewipe, I’ll call him an arsewipe, it’s actually quite mild for what I actually want to call him.

FREEDOM OF SPEEEEECH! And all that …..

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Ahhh - the level of intellectual debate on MN continues to plummet.

RedToothBrush · Yesterday 18:52

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 04/06/2026 07:14

What a pile of crap. Farage is divisive, dangerous and utterly disrespectful towards Henry Nowak's family, who explicitly asked people not to exploit Henry' death to sow division and hatred.

Farage is a disgrace to humanity and to the people of this country, and so is anyone who seeks to defend him or repeat his divisive messages.

In fairness to Farage, if we held all politicians to the same standard we'd be left with a lot of vacancies.

Also we have to examine whether it would be in the public interest to arrest him for doing this.

If doing so were to lead to mass riots there's an argument that's a worse outcome than him stirring up hatred.

It's not right and the whole thing makes me uncomfortable but there's this point with silencing people and censorship generally that if we do it to one group under the guise of legitimacy we have to be mindful if that reasoning might be used by the opposition in a way that creates its own unintended consequences and worse outcomes.

I am no fan of Farage, but we do need to be a lot more considered when we talk about banning things people say because we don't like them. One day the same could be used against you.

This was a lesson I was taught by a very esteemed professor in media and propaganda a long time ago. It's one that stood the test of time over several decades and various political issues.

Be careful what you wish for.

ERthree · Yesterday 18:55

MandingoAteMyBaby · 04/06/2026 19:58

Nah he’s handled this one very well, including his eloquent dismembering of Farage.

😂

Gloriia · Yesterday 18:57

'You seem to be far more concerned about a bit of angry swearing than you are about the whipping up of division or the exploitation of a young man's tragic death for political purposes. You have got your priorities all wrong'

Just pointing out the hypocrisy. Calm debate doesn't come from hate < eg fucking arsewipe!> and aggression. Surely we should all be able to agree on that.

He hasn't exploited a young man's tragic death. He has highlighted, rightly, that policing needs to change.

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · Yesterday 18:58

RedToothBrush · Yesterday 18:52

In fairness to Farage, if we held all politicians to the same standard we'd be left with a lot of vacancies.

Also we have to examine whether it would be in the public interest to arrest him for doing this.

If doing so were to lead to mass riots there's an argument that's a worse outcome than him stirring up hatred.

It's not right and the whole thing makes me uncomfortable but there's this point with silencing people and censorship generally that if we do it to one group under the guise of legitimacy we have to be mindful if that reasoning might be used by the opposition in a way that creates its own unintended consequences and worse outcomes.

I am no fan of Farage, but we do need to be a lot more considered when we talk about banning things people say because we don't like them. One day the same could be used against you.

This was a lesson I was taught by a very esteemed professor in media and propaganda a long time ago. It's one that stood the test of time over several decades and various political issues.

Be careful what you wish for.

I'm not sure why you're quoting me here. I'm not arguing that Farage should be arrested or banned. I was merely responding to the nonsense posted by a previous poster.

I don't think Farage should be banned or locked up, unless clear evidence of criminal behaviour emerges, which would not necessarily surprise me.

I do think he should be subjected to much greater scrutiny and exposed for what he truly is.

Pippin2017 · Yesterday 18:59

'He hasn't exploited a young man's tragic death. He has highlighted, rightly, that policing needs to change.'

He has, however, specifically gone against the wishes of Henry Nowak's parents. Which is pretty despicable.

ETA he could have requested a meeting with police chiefs to discuss the issue with the people who could change procedure, but he didn't, he proceeded to whip up a bit of hysteria which led to violence.

BIossomtoes · Yesterday 19:06

Gloriia · Yesterday 18:57

'You seem to be far more concerned about a bit of angry swearing than you are about the whipping up of division or the exploitation of a young man's tragic death for political purposes. You have got your priorities all wrong'

Just pointing out the hypocrisy. Calm debate doesn't come from hate < eg fucking arsewipe!> and aggression. Surely we should all be able to agree on that.

He hasn't exploited a young man's tragic death. He has highlighted, rightly, that policing needs to change.

Damn right policing needs to change. When black men are 2.4 times more likely to be arrested than white men something definitely needs to be done. I don’t imagine Farage will like the change though.

https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/crime-justice-and-the-law/policing/number-of-arrests/latest/

Arrests

Black people were over twice as likely to be arrested as white people – there were 20.4 arrests for every 1,000 black people, and 9.4 for every 1,000 white people.

https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/crime-justice-and-the-law/policing/number-of-arrests/latest

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · Yesterday 19:12

Gloriia · Yesterday 18:57

'You seem to be far more concerned about a bit of angry swearing than you are about the whipping up of division or the exploitation of a young man's tragic death for political purposes. You have got your priorities all wrong'

Just pointing out the hypocrisy. Calm debate doesn't come from hate < eg fucking arsewipe!> and aggression. Surely we should all be able to agree on that.

He hasn't exploited a young man's tragic death. He has highlighted, rightly, that policing needs to change.

He has absolutely exploited Henry Nowak's death to further his own political agenda - directly disrespecting the plea from the family not to use it in that way.

Kemi Badenoch - of whom I am no fan - has been much more measured and responsible in her response.

RedToothBrush · Yesterday 19:17

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · Yesterday 18:58

I'm not sure why you're quoting me here. I'm not arguing that Farage should be arrested or banned. I was merely responding to the nonsense posted by a previous poster.

I don't think Farage should be banned or locked up, unless clear evidence of criminal behaviour emerges, which would not necessarily surprise me.

I do think he should be subjected to much greater scrutiny and exposed for what he truly is.

I quoted you because of what you wrote.

People repeating what he said do so for a number of reasons - one of which is because he's hit a point that resonates whether we like this or not - and the other is because they are jumping on a bandwagon of a political view without thinking about it much.

We'd be unwise to say he's stirring up shit too, because unfortunately Farage often does the opposite and repeats what's said about a particular issue more generally and then latches onto an example. He's reflective of a sentiment that's widely felt as much as inciting. We should have learnt some of this lesson in 2016. The concept of two tier policing has been around for a while and doesn't really come from Farage.

Unfortunately what has to happen is you have to prove by transparency and engagement rather than banning. This is exceptionally difficult to do. Farage also knows this.

When you have numerous multiple scandals involving police which seem to repeat the same themes something IS going wrong and it's not getting sorted. How you go about rectifying that is about public engagement and rebuilding of trust which takes years.

People who agree with Farage, aren't necessarily wrong. It also doesn't mean they are necessarily right either. It does mean that something is going wrong though because people don't have faith in the police to act fairly and appropriately. We have to determine how to do things better regardless of this because actually the perception does matter even if it's founded on a shaky and incorrect premise.

We have to have better counter narratives. We can't just say "it's wrong because it's Farage". It doesn't work. And it's compounded by abject hypocrisy on display from other politicians who fail to see when they do similar because they vehemently believe they are right and not above scrutiny themselves.

It's MASSIVELY frustrating, but there isn't an alternative way around it that works better.

We need to look at what we want to achieve rather than getting sucked personality politics and as hominem attacks. And yes this is asymmetric in how easy/hard it is to do for both sides of this argument.

There are no short cuts unfortunately.

sittingonabeach · Yesterday 19:31

@RedToothBrush but statistics show here are still other issues in the police, so why isn't he talking about them. He is focusing on one issue that fits his narrative and stirs up hatred.

sittingonabeach · Yesterday 19:33

BIossomtoes · Yesterday 19:06

Damn right policing needs to change. When black men are 2.4 times more likely to be arrested than white men something definitely needs to be done. I don’t imagine Farage will like the change though.

https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/crime-justice-and-the-law/policing/number-of-arrests/latest/

But this doesn't fit his narrative (or anyone's current narrative) of two tier policing. Why isn't this being framed as two tier policing?

RedToothBrush · Yesterday 19:37

sittingonabeach · Yesterday 19:31

@RedToothBrush but statistics show here are still other issues in the police, so why isn't he talking about them. He is focusing on one issue that fits his narrative and stirs up hatred.

I don't disagree.

You still need to win the argument though by making the case rather than banning him because we don't like him.

His position means it would be fundamentally dangerous to arrest him because too many people who lack trust would feel it was because he was right and someone was trying to cover that up.

We have to always consider the public interest in the enforcement of law. Following the law to the letter in this scenario is arguably not in the public interest because of the effect it would have.

The solution, as I say, is to rebuild public trust primarily by not cocking up so much!

Gloriia · Yesterday 19:38

'He has, however, specifically gone against the wishes of Henry Nowak's parents. Which is pretty despicable'

They didn't want hate and division. No one is attacking Sikhs.

To be feel cold rage at crap policing is not stoking hate and division.

Pippin2017 · Yesterday 19:42

Gloriia · Yesterday 19:38

'He has, however, specifically gone against the wishes of Henry Nowak's parents. Which is pretty despicable'

They didn't want hate and division. No one is attacking Sikhs.

To be feel cold rage at crap policing is not stoking hate and division.

But it still ended up with thugs chucking bins at police officers and destroying property. Which I'm fairly sure could have been forseen.
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sittingonabeach · Yesterday 19:48

They attacked the police, they damaged people’s properties and some have targeted particular police officers who weren’t even involved in the case.

RedToothBrush · Yesterday 20:18

Here's the thing, people in rougher communities are seeing more local crime in their community and more antisocial behaviour. Yet there's less police and people in these communities are feeling ignored and pushed out. They are statistically the places asylum seekers are placed not rich areas, so any issues, no matter how small are disproportionately born by these communities.

The police due to successive government have had resources cut and cut so they are less effective in these types of low level everyday crime. It leads to a feeling of neglect and de-prioritisation. It's a sense of being ignored and dismissed over a lengthy period.

Even in my nice next of the woods we've seen council tax go up substantially whilst the two PCSOs were sacked for budget considerations and we now have a massive county lines issue that didn't previously exist. This is leading to resentment and dissatisfaction.

We need to remember that 'tough on crime and the causes of crime' was a particular successful and well supported political slogan. For a reason.

Because the police have less resources they've been forced into public engagement in a different way - large through media campaigns that don't do a lot. These tend to be more aligned with middle class thinking and priorities which again emphasises this sense of 'left behind'. This virtue signalling style of policing due to lack of resources is pretty hated because it's replaced rather on the ground police and is a poor use of the limited resources the police do have.

This is boiling over into all manner of social conflict and the police frankly don't have the resources to deal with it. They have lost public good will because there's a sense they are there for other people and not these boring mundane crimes. In small provisional communities everyone tends to know everyone else which also includes everyone knowing who is responsible for x, but the police do fuck all to stop them.

The thugs take advantage of the situation because they can, meanwhile it's the ones who are armchair spectators who hear a grain of truth from someone outside of authority who merely acknowledges their existence so they start to believe and buy into the wider narrative.

This wouldn't happen if policing was effective and was sorting out problems in communities. Farage is filling a void that's been vacated by other political parties not prioritising policing higher on the agenda. All whilst taxes are rising and we get less services.

This is ultimately the problem. Where the money is perceived to have gone instead gets the blame - because Labour and the Tories can't really offer an alternative narrative to why various crimes in local communities are becoming more visible and common.

Given I know how bad the anti social behaviour has become in my nice area - visibly so with the local supermarket installing so much anti-theft equipment and actually witnessing these crimes it's difficult to comprehend what it's like in less affluent areas with high unemployment and low prospects.

People want jobs and opportunity, which again is catkip to communities that feel under pressure from changing demographics.

The government has to turn that around and show a tangible change in real lives rather than lip service and pr. Because that's where the trust has been lost. In this sense of disconnection between politicians and people witnessing crime and it's effects.

The void will get filled with other easy slogans because Farage hasn't got a plan thats any different from the PR and spin of the mainstream parties. He's just got handy scapegoats. He's trusted because he's noticing that grain of truth that he can then capitalise on and apply a shitty narrative to. He makes people who feel disenfranchised, feel listened to.

The whole thing is UGLY, but unless you correctly identify the failings of the mainstream people to understand what creating an environment for Farage to flourish in, you are screwed really. You don't achieve that by trying to silence disaffected voices. You have to make them less disaffected and unhappy instead!

It all sucks. There are no short cuts. We kid ourselves in pretending there are and that banning solves the issue.

Gloriia · Yesterday 20:22

Pippin2017 · Yesterday 19:42

But it still ended up with thugs chucking bins at police officers and destroying property. Which I'm fairly sure could have been forseen.
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People are angry at crap policing. I'm not condoning wheelie bin throwing but compared to other protests it was hardly extreme or prolonged. Henry's life mattered.

Being outraged at the police is not stoking hate and division.

MulberryBrandy · Yesterday 20:29

Thank you @RedToothBrush for setting this out clearly. I was also prompted to think of this today: "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime" and thought that is what we need but it would cost a lot with no instant results. The electorate are very impatient - which, in my opinion, has been very hasty and unrealistic for a government to work miracles in less than two years. There have been errors but there always are.

GeneralPeter · Yesterday 20:29

BIossomtoes · Yesterday 19:06

Damn right policing needs to change. When black men are 2.4 times more likely to be arrested than white men something definitely needs to be done. I don’t imagine Farage will like the change though.

https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/crime-justice-and-the-law/policing/number-of-arrests/latest/

Men were six times as likely as women to be arrested.

Doesn’t that need fixing first?

If not, why not?

Teanbiscuits33 · Yesterday 20:33

GeneralPeter · Yesterday 20:29

Men were six times as likely as women to be arrested.

Doesn’t that need fixing first?

If not, why not?

Because men are far more likely to commit violent and sexual crimes. Are you trying to make an equivalent comparison?

RedToothBrush · Yesterday 20:38

GeneralPeter · Yesterday 20:29

Men were six times as likely as women to be arrested.

Doesn’t that need fixing first?

If not, why not?

Why on earth are arrest rates for women so high!

A quick search and recent data says there were 83,881 male prisoners and 3,461 female prisoners in UK jails. That's 96% men and 4% women.

That really is an interesting statistic. What is this showing? Do women get away with crime more or are women easier targets for arrest. Or do men commit much more serious crimes requiring longer prison terms?

I have no idea what that data is showing. It needs context and explanation.

This is another problem. Communicating shit like this well to the public who feel they can trust the explanation.

GeneralPeter · Yesterday 20:39

Teanbiscuits33 · Yesterday 20:33

Because men are far more likely to commit violent and sexual crimes. Are you trying to make an equivalent comparison?

But the arrest rates are different so something definitely needs
to be done.

Now I’ve looked closer at the data I see we need police to arrest three times as many Chinese as they do, twice as many Indians, a smidge fewer Pakistanis and a handful more Bangladeshis before justice is truly done.

Pippin2017 · Yesterday 20:42

Gloriia · Yesterday 20:22

People are angry at crap policing. I'm not condoning wheelie bin throwing but compared to other protests it was hardly extreme or prolonged. Henry's life mattered.

Being outraged at the police is not stoking hate and division.

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So by Farage's actions, the country is more united? Don't think so.

GeneralPeter · Yesterday 20:46

RedToothBrush · Yesterday 20:38

Why on earth are arrest rates for women so high!

A quick search and recent data says there were 83,881 male prisoners and 3,461 female prisoners in UK jails. That's 96% men and 4% women.

That really is an interesting statistic. What is this showing? Do women get away with crime more or are women easier targets for arrest. Or do men commit much more serious crimes requiring longer prison terms?

I have no idea what that data is showing. It needs context and explanation.

This is another problem. Communicating shit like this well to the public who feel they can trust the explanation.

It seems to be both. Men commit much more of the worst crimes, but also women seem to get slightly more lenient sentences controlling for severity and criminal history.