To think Nigel Farage should be locked up?

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He was inciting violence with his “address to the nation” speech, calling for rage.

Meanwhile, he doesn’t care when women are actually murdered by the police

https://x.com/nigel_farage/status/1371213488882847749?s=46

Surely enough is enough and they need to take action?

No-one deserves hate. No one is a 'cancer' on society. I'm sorry for whatever you've endured but your attacks do not make you any different than those you criticise.

'She is giving her opinion, she isn’t asking anyone else to say bad things about him or calling for people to rise at dawn and attack him'

We can all give our opinions. It would seem ironic to call someone a fucking fascist hate filled arsewipe though. Bit hateful, no?

Who called for anyone to rise at dawn and go attack someone? I missed that.

What about the Nazis, Gloria? Did they deserve hate? Were they not a cancer on society? Because you’re voting for a very similar party who using near identical tactics to create anger and division, but of course you will disagree.

The really scarey thing though, is that Farage is a one trick pony. It's all about immigration. If every single immigrant left the UK tomorrow, no-one's life in the UK would change one iota.

And that's all Reform have. Their manifesto is not worth the paper it's written on, their costings make Liz Truss look like John Stuart Mill. I'm in a Reform council area, God help me, and their leadership to date is primarily taking some flags down and putting other flags up. They've prevaricated over their election promises, in fact completely reneged on most of them. They seem to be waging war on anything that could be deemed 'liberal' in their eyes.

I think every single penny going into party funding (for all parties, not just Reform), should be subject to intense scrutiny, and would not be at all surprised to see money from US Christian Nationalists flooding into Reform's coffers. This is worrying. There will be some quid pro quo down the line.

Its her opinion, you said it was hate mongering, it wasn’t

@APintofBitterPleaseLandlord have you seen the statistics another poster has posted about arrests etc, I am not sure the two tier policing people are complaining about is as effective as they think it is.

Always turn things around to play the victim, don’t they? Unless it’s their hateful speech about everybody else that’s different to them, then that’s fine 😂😂😂

You've no idea who I'm voting for. We aren't talking about the Nazis, we are talking about you using incredibly unpleasant language to describe someone and accusing them of being 'hate filled'.

Maybe try leading by example and have adult debate without inflammatory language hmm? Just a thought.

You bend over backwards to defend a party of Neo Nazis on every politics thread I see 😂

You said ‘No one deserves hate and no one is a cancer on society’ respectfully, I disagree.

Funny how they seem to treat migrants like a cancer on society isn’t it? And benefit claimants, and disabled people. That’s all fine, is it?

I don't think it's inflammatory to suggest Farage is hate filled. I think he probably is. Right from boyhood he seems to have had issues with non white, non Christian people.
ETA I find that a problem in someone who wants to be PM.

Calling people fucking this, arsewipes, fucking that, hate mongers is indeed hateful. I'm not a NF fan but honestly calm down, have a cup of tea and share opinions without aggressive attacks on politicians.

I bet if NF called someone a hate mongering fucking arsewipe you'd soon complain.

'You bend over backwards to defend a party of Neo Nazis on every politics thread I see'

I've never defended neo nazis. Fixed that for you.

Just try less inflammatory language is all I'm saying.

Gloria, respectfully, I couldn’t care a jot what you think of my language. My hatred for that disgusting human being runs deep and I used some passionate, amplified language to express that.

I’m not a public figure who has spent my entire career hating, lying and manipulating masses of people to further myself. He has got nothing positive to offer anyone.

Guess what, Richard Tice is now on X complaining about Sainsbury’s selling 100% white eggs! (If anything you would think this would be very pleasing to him! 😂) but they have nothing but anger and hate. Anything they can complain about!!

No ofc he shouldn't be locked up. I also saw the bbc apologised for making up something they said that he said.

When Farage and his supporters stop making inflammatory statements that are clearly designed to whip up hatred and stoke division, then perhaps people might stop using inflammatory language to talk about them. But not before.

If I want to call Farage an arsewipe, I’ll call him an arsewipe, it’s actually quite mild for what I actually want to call him.

FREEDOM OF SPEEEEECH! And all that …..

Much as I loathe Starmer, that is not true.

Ok lovely. So, some of you think someone whips up hate and in return you're whipping up hate. Got it.

On the other side of free movement, there are over 7000 Roma in a city not far from here, with few skills, and poor education. Since their arrival from Eastern Europe, the police have increased their presence due to street brawls, and the litter and fly tipping reached epic proportions. The people living in the area, which was ethnically very mixed before, have seen already cheap house prices fall. When they started to settle in large numbers, the local Labour MP at the time voiced his concerns about their lack of integration, and the tensions in the area.

It’s hardly surprising that long term residents of areas such as that are unhappy with government policies that have radically altered their neighbourhoods, ignoring their concerns, and branding them racist if they complain. I don’t think many politicians will be living in cramped terrace housing, surrounded by large families, who spend a lot of their lives, often noisily, on the street.

No it wasn't. Somebody, very early after the Southport atrocity thought they had found evidence that Starmer had defended AR's father in an asylum case. The 'evidence' they found was for a different individual with a slightly similar sounding name and AFAIK wasn't defended by Starmer anyway.

Do you think I went a bit overboard? No doubt someone else will tell me off soon 😉

I can't speak to reform, but I can give you an anecdote about how this type of thing created trump voters.

In the 2024 election, several of my close family members planned to vote for Trump. They had legitimate concerns about both the trans issue and the large number of economic migrants, claiming to be refugees, being let into the country and consuming significant tax revenue resources. They viewed Trump as the candidate to end this. And, FWIW, he did. The border is now closed to economic migrants.

During this time, the media and left-leaning politicians continually labeled Trump voters as fascists and racists. Seeing this, I was bothered because my family members were not fascists, nazis, and racists. They are good people with legitimate concerns about immigration policy.

In addition, I simply could not believe some of the claims being made by supposedly intelligent people. "Trump is going to become a dictator!" "This is exactly like Germany in the early 1930s!" These claims demonstrated complete ignorance of the US federal and state civic structures explicitly defined in the Constitution. In order for Trump to become a dictator, he would have to gain complete control of all branches of the military. These are all completely separate branches. And they all hate each other (in a frenemy type of way). This is all intentional. Because of Trump got the Army, the Marines and Navy would respond. If he got the Air Force, Naval air assets would be deployed against the AF. There is simply no possible way for any President to gain control of all branches. That is to say nothing of individual states. Each state has its own militia (the national guard) under the control of the state's governor. Each state county has its own Sheriff and these sheriffs have immense influence. Especially in rural counties. So, somehow Trump would have to get the entire military, state militias, county sheriffs, as well as municipal police departments. And of course, there are 350+ million firearms in this country. Owned by people of all political stripes. So any type of civil military action would be met with overwhelming resistance wherein the military would suffer massive casualties. Americas have guns, and they know how to use them. This is the entire purpose of the second amendment. To give citizens the means to oppose tyrannical actions. And before anyone says "but an AR-15 can't do anything against a jet fighter!", let's remember how in Iraq, British and US troops could not overcome AK-47s and IEDs for many years. Jets don't control territory. Small arms do.

Anyway, I didn't vote for Tump in 2016. But as I saw my family members maligned by the press and politicians, I became angry. When I heard the absolute nonsense about American becoming a fascist state, I could not believe the absolute and utter ignorance of those saying it. To make it worse, these people know better. They know our systems are rock solid and organized such that this is an absolute impossibility. And yet they repeated it over and over and over again. I mean, President Obama compared Trump to Hitler and then two weeks later was sitting next to Trump at a funeral just laughing it up.

So because of my anger at the absolute worst type of false accusations as well as the stunning lies peddled about how our Federal system works, I voted for Trump. And of course, I have a young daughter. Trump's "Kamala is for they/them, Trump is for you" position completely won me over.

So I think you are right. Existing Reform voters will not be pursuaded by being called flag-shaggers. But they will become more firmly entrenched. And people who love them will be appalled by these people being falsely accused and smeared. They, like me, may decide to vote Reform simply out of spite.

You do not win elections or gain political influence by shitting on voters.

To be fair for most of us who abhor Farage not much whipping up is required. I don’t hate him but I find him and his party repellent and the thought of them getting anywhere near government terrifies me.

I worked in the criminal justice system for years and it is massively racist against black and brown people. All the data points to more police harassment, more likely to be arrested, longer sentences, worst treatment in prison. The whole system is stacked against minorities. So this two tier policing is bullshit. But the thick sheep that follow Farage parrot whatever he tells them. They don’t care about the truth as long as they can justify their racism.

Look, when you have political leaders - including a man who claims that he wants to be our next PM - deliberately seeking to stir up hatred, stoke division and incite violence, even exploiting the tragic death of a young man in order to do so, despite the explicit requests from his family not to do so, then people are going to be angry about that and they might swear about it on the Internet a bit.

You seem to be far more concerned about a bit of angry swearing than you are about the whipping up of division or the exploitation of a young man's tragic death for political purposes. You have got your priorities all wrong.