To think Nigel Farage should be locked up?

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He was inciting violence with his “address to the nation” speech, calling for rage.

Meanwhile, he doesn’t care when women are actually murdered by the police

https://x.com/nigel_farage/status/1371213488882847749?s=46

Surely enough is enough and they need to take action?

Just who we don't need to interfere, the inept VP poking his nose in to stir trouble:

In his post, Vance described the killing as "tragic as it is enraging", saying that Nowak would still be alive today "if the last few generations of European elites had stood their ground against the politics of self-hatred and the mass invasion of migrants".

Downing Street hits out at 'people seeking to stir division' after Vance's Nowak post - BBC News

It seems entirely backward to expect proportionate arrest rates across different races when we know that socioeconomic hardships, as one example, play such a massive role in who ends up in the justice system. For example, the reason you don't see many Japanese immigrants in jail for robbery isn't because the police are letting them get away with it. It’s just because they come from a group that commits those crimes at a much lower rate. If someone commits a crime they should be arrested. We seem to want the police to solve this issue when it should be dealt with much earlier.

Now that is disgusting. Between him and Musk - need to pay a bit more attention to their own problems tbh.

Imagine using this to score political points.

I’m not a fan of his, but expect most felt cold hard rage at this terrible tragedy. I didn’t take that as an incitement to violence. If Starmer had said that, wonder what the reaction would have been.

@Namingbaba I don’t think people are expecting arrest rates to be completely proportionate but when one is so heavily skewed surely it’s obvious that something is wrong in the policing system. And that is still happening so why aren’t people shouting about that, why isn’t that described as two tier policing?

"if the last few generations of European Elite had stood their ground..."
His European history knowledge is very thin on the ground. And his boss is the son of European immigrants! But people just listen without question.

Yes to this.

Indeed - he should, perhaps, look closer to home for someone seemingly committing terrible crimes and being above/beyond prosecution.

This. Nobody will ever convince me that black men commit 2.4 times as many crimes as white men. We know black people experience far more stop and search. We know the police are institutionally racist and yet Farage would try to convince us that two tier policing favours people of colour.

The ONLY time Farage bothers to pipe up about any form of tragedy or crime is where a racial element is involved. It's so predictable to be a joke. The man is vile.

We all know full well that if a white man had been the murderer on this occasion, nobody would hear a peep out of Farage. As for TR and his morons, they wouldn't even register anything.

How dare TR and his imbeciles complain about the police when they themselves have been in prison (or skirted close to it). You only have to look at the state of them. THEY are the very people we don't need in this country - THEY are the ones putting unnecessary strain on the police. Ignorant, vile thugs the lot of them. A national embarrassment. If only it were possible to deport THEM - but what nation would want them?

JD Vance has got a fucking cheek! Does our government lecture them after every school shooting or when ICE murder US citizens in cold blood? Or when babies and small children are sent to detention centres (i.e. prisons). The hypocricy is staggering.

There might be a policing problem but I don’t think you can tell that from the arrest rate data.

No outrage about this was there? No one was enraged here. Two tier policing indeed.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jan/22/kevin-clarkes-family-denounce-police-discipline-system-after-officers-cleared#:~:text=Kevin%20Clarke%2C%2035%2C%20died%20while,that%20he%20could%20not%20breathe.

dreamreal, yes, his comments after Sarah Everard's murder were very telling.

"We must not allow the tragic murder of a young woman to turn into attacks on men and attacks on the police.”

After Jo Cox's murder, his comment on the Brexit victory 'without a shot being fired'.

Labour are leading the polls in Makerfield.

https://www.wigantoday.net/news/politics/women-have-their-say-on-voting-for-reform-uk-in-the-makerfield-by-election-8659829

Other factors include ethnic minorities being disproportionately concentrated in urban areas than rural areas which will increase arrest rates.

Why would that multiple be beyond the bounds of belief? (Per capita, obviously).

If Chinese are being arrested at less than half the rate of whites, as they are, does that indicate police racism towards whites?

These are all different groups with different age profiles, in different places, with different economics, cultures, risk factors etc etc. Why wouldn’t that show up in the data?

It has been acknowledged that there is racism in police forces and this results in higher numbers of black people being stopped and searched etc, why are people denying this happens?

Do you not think things like poverty affect whether someone will end up involved in crime? Obviously not the only factor but surely it’s something that definitely affects an individual’s life path. So, if nearly 4 in 10 black people in the UK live in relative poverty, compared to fewer than 2 in 10 white people wouldn’t that have an effect on outcomes?
The police are not causing these issues in society but dealing with the results.
Obviously not saying policing doesn’t have issues but if we want to change the outcomes, we have to look upstream at the socioeconomic issues etc.

Actually white people are 4 times more likely to be arrested than Chinese people- which on @BIossomtoeslogic must mean that the police are institutionally racist towards white people compared to Chinese people.

Also Black Other are four times more likely to be arrested than Black Africans and twice as likely as Black Caribbean. @BIossomtoes- is there a specific type of "blackness" that the police are institutionally racist against?

I’m certainly not denying there is racism in the police. Has anyone on this thread denied this?

Stop and search is really not as clear-cut. The share of stop-and-searches that find nothing is about the same across races (in fact it’s slightly higher for whites), which is what you would expect if s-and-s were being conducted based on suspicion and in a race-neutral way.

Some things are very disproportionate though: black young men are stabbed and killed at far higher rates than whites, mainly by other black young men. So a good s-and-s policy should reflect that in the interests of everyone’s safety but especially the safety of black men.

I don't know what this list above is meant to be ... it doesn't make sense. There is no category for White British, only White Other. So comments can't be based on this accurately?

Yes, I know. I retracted the claim.

@GeneralPeter I suppose my question is, if it is acknowledged there is racism in the police, why is that now ignored or seen as lesser than ‘two tier’ policing. And if there is still a high level of racism can there truly be two tier policing. Maybe there is just bad policing. Why are people only protesting about two tier policing?