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AIBU to feel deeply unsettled by the Southampton protest scenes?

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HopelessPessimist · Yesterday 19:02

Southampton protest against police, huge crowd, Tommy Robinson whipping everyone into a frenzy and saying "this IS about race"

Other speakers declaring that England is a Christian country. The Lords Prayer chanted by every speaker. The leader of UKIP saying he will deport all migrants and make government Christian. The leaders of the protest saying they are being pushed by the police cordon, while the camera angle shows the police haven't moved. The leaders of the protest mocking the female police officer who are taking over a shift from another police officer in the cordon "They're replacing all the men with women!"

This is awful. It feels like the start of civil war. Maybe human beings just aren't supposed to go decades without a fight.

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Owlsintheforest · Yesterday 20:52

youalright · Yesterday 19:11

Yanbu a lot of people use these protests as an excuse for violence

Zero violence reported - are you watching the Live Stream on YouTube? They just said a prayer for Henry…. Oh wait, I guess this is the wrong religion… can’t possibly defend those law abiding Christians can we.

Jellox · Yesterday 20:52

SpaceRaccoon · Yesterday 20:46

The police officers were white and the man that died was white - there was no racism towards the young man at all, so I’m not sure why you’re implying that there is.

Wrong. They disbelieved him and believed his attacker, because of a racism claim and their respective ethnicities, and everyone has seen it.

You think the white police officers were racist towards the white male?

Do you know what racism means?

EasternStandard · Yesterday 20:52

youalright · Yesterday 20:48

They didn't drag him to the ground in handcuffs he was always on the ground they dragged him from laying behind a car, and the police officer said I don't think you have mate as he was lifting his shirt and checking his back. Watch the video

Why didn’t they fully check his back or his front?

Noodledog · Yesterday 20:53

youalright · Yesterday 20:45

No i haven't said that once. The police where investigated and no wrong doing was found. I just don't think smashing up Southampton and attacking police officers is going to help matters.

The investigation has not finished. Although I'm not a fan of the police investigating themselves anyway.

youalright · Yesterday 20:53

mydaughterisademon · Yesterday 20:47

What I don’t understand is why the police are only being investigated now, or the police officer resigning happens after it becomes public knowledge. Did no one see the footage and ask questions at the time? Think ‘hmm why did no one believe him, weird, wonder why’

im not sure how they could live with themselves knowing this poor boy died, and he might have been saved (no one knows now).

They aren't the investigation began on the 4th December

Quokkas · Yesterday 20:53

SpaceRaccoon · Yesterday 20:46

The police officers were white and the man that died was white - there was no racism towards the young man at all, so I’m not sure why you’re implying that there is.

Wrong. They disbelieved him and believed his attacker, because of a racism claim and their respective ethnicities, and everyone has seen it.

That’s still not racism though.

frindolion · Yesterday 20:53

blubberyboo · Yesterday 20:48

Don’t dare claim every piece of information they were given was wrong!

HENRY GAVE THEM INFORMATION THAT HE WAS STABBED 4 TIMES!!

-THAT WAS CORRECT INFORMATION

HENRY GAVE THEM INFORMATION THAT HE COULDN’T BREATHE 9 TIMES

  • THAT WAS CORRECT INFORMATION

THE INFORMATION THAT THEY HAD FROM ASSESSING THE SCENE WITH THEIR OWN EYES WAS THAT THE ALLEGES VICTIM WAS ON HIS FEET AND ERRATICALLY TALKING WHILST THE ALLEGED CRIMINAL WAS ON THE FLOOR UNABLE TO MOVE OR SIT UP OR STAND AND EXTREMELY PALE!

THEY DID NOT FULLY CHECK FOR STAB WOUNDS. ONLY FLAPPED THE BOTTOM OF HIS SHIRT AND DIDNT CHECK THE FRONT

Yes 😢

Northermcharn · Yesterday 20:53

frindolion · Yesterday 20:51

It is not only compassion, it is the sheer inhumanity and injustice of what happened to Henry. He heard is right being read to them (his rights, ha!) as he slipped away and died. When he begged for help, he was not believed. Completely helpless and being treated so very unfairly and unkindly. I don't blame the individual cops though, I blame the way the police and civil service are tackling racism and inequality. It's harmful to social cohesion law and order and needs to change.

Agreed 100%

fairydustt · Yesterday 20:54

youalright · Yesterday 20:48

They didn't drag him to the ground in handcuffs he was always on the ground they dragged him from laying behind a car, and the police officer said I don't think you have mate as he was lifting his shirt and checking his back. Watch the video

Are you all right?

RollOnSunshine · Yesterday 20:54

People who live in deprived and built up areas are getting fed up. The people who run the country live in quaint little villages and do not see any problem because it is not happening on their doorstep.

SpaceRaccoon · Yesterday 20:54

Jellox · Yesterday 20:52

You think the white police officers were racist towards the white male?

Do you know what racism means?

I know they had a racial bias towards him, yes.

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 20:54

Quokkas · Yesterday 20:50

No one was expected to do anything. I fully support the idea of taking the knee but I have never felt forced to do it and I have never done it.

They certainly were expected to comply. If they didn't agree with the riots they were called racists. If they said politics had no place in football they were called racist. If they said all lives matter, you've guessed it.

youalright · Yesterday 20:54

Noodledog · Yesterday 20:53

The investigation has not finished. Although I'm not a fan of the police investigating themselves anyway.

Yeah i just read that im sure someone on the news earlier said no wrongdoing was found so I assumed it meant they had closed the investigation

Ipsevenenabibas · Yesterday 20:54

TrampleOnTheRoses · Yesterday 20:10

Why are you ignoring the information Henry Nowak gave the police? You are doing the same as they did in discounting what he was saying. Why?

I mean the answer is obvious surely. Because the victim was white.

DreamyScroller · Yesterday 20:55

Can you think of any reason for this kind of protest that you would actually support? Clearly it's not the murder of an innocent man left to bleed to death because he cried the 'R' word. Not the brutal slaughter of innocent girls. Anything? What would it take to tip the scales so that something in this world was a little more concerning than the boogie monster "Tommy Robinson"?

frindolion · Yesterday 20:55

Jellox · Yesterday 20:52

You think the white police officers were racist towards the white male?

Do you know what racism means?

She says it was because of a racism claim, not racism. Reading comprehension?

youalright · Yesterday 20:55

fairydustt · Yesterday 20:54

Are you all right?

Im good are you?

Roomonthe3rdfloor · Yesterday 20:56

TrampleOnTheRoses · Yesterday 20:48

It’s pretty grim to start talking about fragility (presumably you mean white fragility) to parents who are expressing their fears for their own white sons. on a thread about the death of a young white man, fatally stabbed, handcuffed and left to bleed to death by the police because he was white.

I think we should be all scared for our young sons with the way the world is going, no matter what colour they are.

I am scared for my half Turkish teenage son, he looks very very foreign, I’m scared he’ll be walking down the street and someone will think he is a “boat person” and attack him.

Farawaytreemagic · Yesterday 20:56

You’re unsettled about people using their democratic right to protest?

well I feel deeply unsettled and worries that a young man is seen saying to police officers I can’t breathe and I’ve been stabbed and they didn’t believe him, yet they believe the guy who is lying. The mother needs to be deported as well.

JHound · Yesterday 20:56

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 20:45

Cat in hell's chance. zilch. Zero. Crickets. Take your pick. There's no moral crusade to be had there.

Why would they when it’s one case, not a trend and when in the one case the perpetrator was swiftly dealt with.

Quokkas · Yesterday 20:56

Flyingintotheunknown · Yesterday 20:40

This!!

@LuckyHazelFox why are you comparing Henry Nowak’s murder to the antisemitism that Jewish people faced? What are you trying to say?

Solaitt · Yesterday 20:56

Whatifitallgoesright · Yesterday 20:47

It's funny how people who say this think it's some kind of Gotcha moment. I don't recall equal outrage about muslim MP's and councillors campaigning for an airport in Mirpur in Pakistan whilst being public servants paid by the British people.

It’s not a “gotcha moment”. It’s a fact.

Tommy Robinson qualifies for Irish citizenship and has freedom of movement across the EU states. He has previously explained to a high court judge that his ‘formal residence’ is Spain.

I was replying to a previous poster who wasn’t sure where his “home” was.

Not sure what the airport in Pakistan you’re referring to has to do with my comment though?

JHound · Yesterday 20:56

Spacestory · Yesterday 20:47

Yes me too. Let it sink in what happened. Police are more scared of being called racist than protecting white people.

You mean the white police?

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 20:57

Quokkas · Yesterday 20:56

@LuckyHazelFox why are you comparing Henry Nowak’s murder to the antisemitism that Jewish people faced? What are you trying to say?

It's quite obvious I am saying both are being downplayed.

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 20:58

JHound · Yesterday 20:56

You mean the white police?

Well black police are called traitors.

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