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AIBU to feel deeply unsettled by the Southampton protest scenes?

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HopelessPessimist · Yesterday 19:02

Southampton protest against police, huge crowd, Tommy Robinson whipping everyone into a frenzy and saying "this IS about race"

Other speakers declaring that England is a Christian country. The Lords Prayer chanted by every speaker. The leader of UKIP saying he will deport all migrants and make government Christian. The leaders of the protest saying they are being pushed by the police cordon, while the camera angle shows the police haven't moved. The leaders of the protest mocking the female police officer who are taking over a shift from another police officer in the cordon "They're replacing all the men with women!"

This is awful. It feels like the start of civil war. Maybe human beings just aren't supposed to go decades without a fight.

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Flyingintotheunknown · Today 07:01

Roomonthe3rdfloor · Today 06:58

So for starters, I have not mentioned Palestine or any other marches or protests, nor have I given my opinion, so not sure what Irony you mean.

I never stated all protesters are far right, so again not sure what you mean about one-sideness in my post.

I also believe everyone has a right to protest.

My response to you was about why it could be deemed harassment, I stand by what I said, it wasn’t a protest last night.

But you quoted me on a post where I was responding to another poster who was banging on about those protestors being racist and Tommy Robinson supporters and that they should be arrested for harrassment. My point was… what about Palestine protestors? Are they not doing the same. Hence why I said that in my response to you.

Roomonthe3rdfloor · Today 07:01

Flyingintotheunknown · Today 07:01

But you quoted me on a post where I was responding to another poster who was banging on about those protestors being racist and Tommy Robinson supporters and that they should be arrested for harrassment. My point was… what about Palestine protestors? Are they not doing the same. Hence why I said that in my response to you.

Fair enough, but I was talking about last night specifically

Whysnothingsimple · Today 07:02

Roomonthe3rdfloor · Today 06:53

Those “protestors” were on a normal residential street, shouting amongst themselves, throwing things, were in peoples gardens and drives. Not a respectful protest for poor Henry.

There were loads of lives on tiktok and it was deffo not a protest. I’m sure the residents of the street were terrified.

The thing is, if you are going to allow protests to go on week after week that intimidate and stir up hatred against the Jewish community you can’t then start to counter a protest outside a police station saying some people who lived nearby might have been concerned

DashItAll · Today 07:03

OP were you as concerned by the mass riots for the BLM movement? Did you approve when everyone was bending their knee? Did you also agree when politicians and celebrities were nodding away and agreeing that All Lives Matter and this police brutality must never happen again? Or is it just when a white person is killed and the citizens of his country are appalled that you get a little concerned?

Flyingintotheunknown · Today 07:03

Roomonthe3rdfloor · Today 07:01

Fair enough, but I was talking about last night specifically

No worries. I was simply responding to a poster.

Milothebunny · Today 07:04

youalright · Yesterday 19:38

They looked for stab wounds and couldn't see any there wasn't a puddle of blood. They called an ambulance for him. It all happened quickly and every piece of information they had been given was wrong

They didn't check though, they briefly lifted up his shirt and looked at his midriff not his upper abdomen or chest. He also had a very visible slash on his face. It was a catastrophic fucking failing

SocialistMammy · Today 07:05

I've woken up to the news and can't stop crying I'm so upset at what's happening.

To the poster above - this is nothing like Black Lives Matter. That was about racism. This is by racists.

NoCarNoHelping · Today 07:06

Didyousaynutella · Today 07:01

People are protesting that the race card was played and the white victim was not given the benefit of the doubt by police yet again. Even as he lay dying. To put an injured dying man in handcuffs just because the race card was used was indicative of our current times. It is a terrible shame that it was the peaceful Sikh community that has been tarred but it would have been the same reaction from police had it been any ethnic minority group.
The police need a wake up call. It’s typical that the left is already shaming white people for protesting it. They don’t see what they have created in this country. They don’t acknowledge the role they have played.

It’s more about the police than the race card in my opinion. When I worked with youth offenders years and years ago there were so many stories of unacceptable treatment and actual instances where I witnessed the police treating these young people (of all races) with utter contempt. They were like your stereotypical bullying PE teacher on steroids just out on a power trip

Roomonthe3rdfloor · Today 07:07

Whysnothingsimple · Today 07:02

The thing is, if you are going to allow protests to go on week after week that intimidate and stir up hatred against the Jewish community you can’t then start to counter a protest outside a police station saying some people who lived nearby might have been concerned

I don’t personally attend any protests. And again I was replying to how it can be harassment. Again I have given no opinion on other “protests”. Again last night was not a protest.

Dollysleftnip · Today 07:08

Milothebunny · Today 07:04

They didn't check though, they briefly lifted up his shirt and looked at his midriff not his upper abdomen or chest. He also had a very visible slash on his face. It was a catastrophic fucking failing

Having been in an emergency situation like that, there’s actually not much more than most officers would’ve done. They can’t go around carrying out examinations they shouldn’t have dismissed his claims.
But you have to remember every single person who is arrested ever shouts that they can’t breathe. So much they could’ve done better, but you can understand how it’s happened in the moment.
They did call for an ambulance, but they are actually perfectly legally able to take them to Hospital in their car and they do regularly if it suits them
If you’re in that situation and you’re told that an ambulance might be awhile, insist they take you

EasternStandard · Today 07:09

Milothebunny · Today 07:04

They didn't check though, they briefly lifted up his shirt and looked at his midriff not his upper abdomen or chest. He also had a very visible slash on his face. It was a catastrophic fucking failing

@youalrightthis is correct. Surely you can see that

FatEndoftheWedge · Today 07:10

Milothebunny · Today 07:04

They didn't check though, they briefly lifted up his shirt and looked at his midriff not his upper abdomen or chest. He also had a very visible slash on his face. It was a catastrophic fucking failing

Agree and using their eyes....looking at the situation it was pretty obvious who the injured party was...lying weak on the ground.

One boy on the ground surrounded by several members of a family ? .isn't that suspicious ??

Evil people don't come with a label and are often very charming.

No one asks Henry what happened did but he tired to tell them. ..

There are two sides to every story and he shouldnt have been hand cuffed.

Freysimo · Today 07:10

DashItAll · Today 07:03

OP were you as concerned by the mass riots for the BLM movement? Did you approve when everyone was bending their knee? Did you also agree when politicians and celebrities were nodding away and agreeing that All Lives Matter and this police brutality must never happen again? Or is it just when a white person is killed and the citizens of his country are appalled that you get a little concerned?

This. And it all started in the US, nothing to do with anyone in the UK, but so many jumped on the bandwagon and are still on it.

TeaCupTinsel · Today 07:10

Whysnothingsimple · Today 06:42

I’m sorry but you just don’t get it do you? I’m not surprised you work in a school, they’re riddled with people pushing a leftist ideology on our kids.

Maybe part of the reason many kids disengage from education is attitudes like yours, oh look how much these immigrant children value education whilst these white working class children are nothing but trouble. Your prejudice is coming over loud and clear and will be feeding into why white working class boys are the massive underachievers in our school system. You most likely aren’t conscious of your prejudice because you think you can only be prejudiced against minorities. Our educational system needs a complete review and its anti white, anti traditional anti British endorsers need to be taken out of it.

Oh yes, pushing 'leftist ideology' like Shakespeare and Pythagorus.

The only one distinctly 'not getting it' is you.

Again, two things can be true at once. We can notice patterns and trends about how refugees and immigrants value education comparatively to British children whilst also supporting, uplifting and engaging 'working class white British boys'. One doesn't negate the other.

You've made a lot of assumptions and validated them in your head, to push your narrative, without evidence . All the students I teach and in our school are valued and supported in the ways they need. We are always encouraged to reflect and tackle any unconscious biases, regardless of how they fall- it's part of being a lifelong educator. You have no idea because it wouldn't fit your narrative.

In fact, the biggest gap in terms of progress last year (I'm sure you'll be interested to know) wasn't white British 'working class' or disaffected boys but actually girls with SEN (at our school at least). We have been working hard to tackle that disparity.

Keep talking rubbish! I'll keep 'indoctrinating' kids for another 20 years with my 'lefty woke' curriculum (that was determined by a Tory government) ...whilst you keep getting angry and shouting into a void about how biased we all are.

There is a reason why schools are filled with more 'left leaning' politically inclined people, perhaps you should look into that. Although, if you know anything about teaching in schools (which you clearly don't from what you've said) you'd also know that in the classroom we are politically objective.

Every time there are local elections (or a general election) all the children have a mock vote and the manifesto are presented for all the candidates who are taking part in the area and they have their own mini election. We have to present all sides.

We can have our own thoughts and views (which we keep to ourselves) but breaking the impartiality is against the Teaching Standards. Unlike government ministers, we are held to our professional standards quite strictly.

BeardofHagrid · Today 07:12

The open borders lunatics get to have their Gaza protests and shut down the whole of London every weekend.

There’s nothing wrong with the Southampton protest, people are allowed to be angry. And they’re not far wrong.

ForGreenHiker · Today 07:12

Flyingintotheunknown · Today 06:53

What the fuck has Tommy Robinson got to do with the murder of Henry Nowak! Yet idiots like you come in threads like this, gaslight people and call them racists then mention To my Robinson!! You’re an absolute disgrace and a joke

This thread is about the protest at Southampton. Tommy Robinson was at that protest. That is what it has to do with it.

So it’s not “gaslighting” to be concerned that this poor boys death is being weaponised by a known far right agitator.

FatEndoftheWedge · Today 07:12

@Dollysleftnip experts disagree if someone says they have been potentially mortally wounded the police has a duty of care to invesgtsuge that and save life. .
There was no need for the handcuffs.

NoCarNoHelping · Today 07:13

FatEndoftheWedge · Today 07:12

@Dollysleftnip experts disagree if someone says they have been potentially mortally wounded the police has a duty of care to invesgtsuge that and save life. .
There was no need for the handcuffs.

He was clearly not resisting either so handcuffs really were not necessary

Twisterlollies · Today 07:13

ForGreenHiker · Today 07:12

This thread is about the protest at Southampton. Tommy Robinson was at that protest. That is what it has to do with it.

So it’s not “gaslighting” to be concerned that this poor boys death is being weaponised by a known far right agitator.

I would never vote for Reform and I think TR is a thug, but I don’t understand why whenever a right wing person protests something it’s ‘agenda’ - they’ve devoted their life to the right wing cause, this sort of even is the reason they believe what they do, so why is it ‘being used’ versus genuine anger even if you personally disagree? It’s not true that only left wing concerns are valid and authentic and everything else is ‘being used for an agenda’

thepariscrimefiles · Today 07:14

These 'protesters' have completely ignored the stated wishes of Henry Nowac's family. His dad's statement was heart-breaking and dignified, the very opposite of Nigel Farage's inflammatory 'call to arms'.

They are just right-wing, racist thugs.

Posters saying that there is now 'two-tier' policing are ignoring the fact that there has been 'two-tier' policing for decades with people of colour as the victims.

The conduct of the officers who responded to the call from the killer's brother was utterly disgusting. However, this protest certainly isn't about ensuring that the police enforce the law 'without fear or favour'.

Oooeeh · Today 07:15

Perfect28 · Today 06:49

More realistic to be concerned that your white sons are being radicalised into racism and misogyny online than worry they would be treated unfairly by the police.

Fine. However you want to wrap it if that makes you feel better. Yes that could totally be a possibility.

as is hundreds of people dying from knife crime and it being swept under the carpet. The country is becoming lawless under our noses and no one is doing anything.

the police have been cut for decades. And who is to blame ??? But yes Starmer let’s blame the police and get them to answer serious questions and isolate the bad guys.

accountability and change is the issue here. People are angry because they are still being fobbed off with the same rubbish.

dress it up how you want to. But there is a fundamental issue here.

User1990C · Today 07:15

SocialistMammy · Today 07:05

I've woken up to the news and can't stop crying I'm so upset at what's happening.

To the poster above - this is nothing like Black Lives Matter. That was about racism. This is by racists.

Over 150 building were burned during the he George Floyd protest in the US, did you cry then?

Which part of people protesting against inequality in treatment as a result of police guidance, created in response to moralistic panic by far left agitators, is racist? Are there racists amongst the protesters? Sure thing. Does that make it an invalid grievance? Absolutely not. Do you think not one of the BLM protestors was racist?

Dollysleftnip · Today 07:15

FatEndoftheWedge · Today 07:12

@Dollysleftnip experts disagree if someone says they have been potentially mortally wounded the police has a duty of care to invesgtsuge that and save life. .
There was no need for the handcuffs.

I don’t disagree with you. I’m just saying that in the moment. I’ve witnessed a few arrests and on every single occasion they start hyperventilating and claiming they can’t breathe.

It was dark. I can see how it happened.

frindolion · Today 07:15

The National Police Chiefs' Council has announced it will review the Race Action Plan in response to the Henry Novak's case.

The Race Action Plan mandates that police must take accusations of racial disparities or abuse with extreme, immediate seriousness.

The policy places pressure on officers to constantly self audit out of fear of looking racially biased or disproportionate in their use of power.

It causes institutional over correction. Fearing the repercussions of mishandling a minority individual who claimed racial abuse, officers became entirely blinded to the reality in front of them.

https://www.college.police.uk/support-forces/diversity-and-inclusion/action-plan

Flyingintotheunknown · Today 07:16

ForGreenHiker · Today 07:12

This thread is about the protest at Southampton. Tommy Robinson was at that protest. That is what it has to do with it.

So it’s not “gaslighting” to be concerned that this poor boys death is being weaponised by a known far right agitator.

It is gaslighting to call everyone a fucking racist and drag Tommy Robinson into literally every thread on MN who happens to be concerned about a certain subject! Sorry if you don’t like that… but the only like idiots like them can spin is “racist” and “Tommy Robinson” or “Nigel Farage”.

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