AIBU to feel deeply unsettled by the Southampton protest scenes?

[HopelessPessimist]

Southampton protest against police, huge crowd, Tommy Robinson whipping everyone into a frenzy and saying "this IS about race"

Other speakers declaring that England is a Christian country. The Lords Prayer chanted by every speaker. The leader of UKIP saying he will deport all migrants and make government Christian. The leaders of the protest saying they are being pushed by the police cordon, while the camera angle shows the police haven't moved. The leaders of the protest mocking the female police officer who are taking over a shift from another police officer in the cordon "They're replacing all the men with women!"

This is awful. It feels like the start of civil war. Maybe human beings just aren't supposed to go decades without a fight.

No i haven't said that once. The police where investigated and no wrong doing was found. I just don't think smashing up Southampton and attacking police officers is going to help matters.

Economic migrant. With a criminal record.

They should deport him really.

Cat in hell's chance. zilch. Zero. Crickets. Take your pick. There's no moral crusade to be had there.

Thank you, yes.

The police officers were white and the man that died was white - there was no racism towards the young man at all, so I’m not sure why you’re implying that there is.

Wrong. They disbelieved him and believed his attacker, because of a racism claim and their respective ethnicities, and everyone has seen it.

Yes me too. Let it sink in what happened. Police are more scared of being called racist than protecting white people.

Eventually........ the video shows very clearly that they didnt believe him at first. It was the female officer who started to look after she noticed he was fading fast. He may have been saved had the acted sooner.

It's funny how people who say this think it's some kind of Gotcha moment. I don't recall equal outrage about muslim MP's and councillors campaigning for an airport in Mirpur in Pakistan whilst being public servants paid by the British people.

It's called empathy. Most people have it. Some don't. I imagine for people who don't have it the concept is impossible to understand.

What I don’t understand is why the police are only being investigated now, or the police officer resigning happens after it becomes public knowledge. Did no one see the footage and ask questions at the time? Think ‘hmm why did no one believe him, weird, wonder why’

im not sure how they could live with themselves knowing this poor boy died, and he might have been saved (no one knows now).

Read my first paragraph again.

It’s pretty grim to start talking about fragility (presumably you mean white fragility) to parents who are expressing their fears for their own white sons. on a thread about the death of a young white man, fatally stabbed, handcuffed and left to bleed to death by the police because he was white.

people that prey on others' grief are pretty low. Almost as bad are the grief tourists, talking about this lad as if they knew him. Sad

This is one of the most messed up things I have ever read on MN.

I've read the comment 5 times and still can't see it, where exactly is the racism?

They didn't drag him to the ground in handcuffs he was always on the ground they dragged him from laying behind a car, and the police officer said I don't think you have mate as he was lifting his shirt and checking his back. Watch the video

Don’t dare claim every piece of information they were given was wrong!

HENRY GAVE THEM INFORMATION THAT HE WAS STABBED 4 TIMES!!

-THAT WAS CORRECT INFORMATION

HENRY GAVE THEM INFORMATION THAT HE COULDN’T BREATHE 9 TIMES

• THAT WAS CORRECT INFORMATION

THE INFORMATION THAT THEY HAD FROM ASSESSING THE SCENE WITH THEIR OWN EYES WAS THAT THE ALLEGES VICTIM WAS ON HIS FEET AND ERRATICALLY TALKING WHILST THE ALLEGED CRIMINAL WAS ON THE FLOOR UNABLE TO MOVE OR SIT UP OR STAND AND EXTREMELY PALE!

THEY DID NOT FULLY CHECK FOR STAB WOUNDS. ONLY FLAPPED THE BOTTOM OF HIS SHIRT AND DIDNT CHECK THE FRONT

You don’t know why the BLM protests had anything to do with Floyd?
Yet you’re discussing it like you do.

Trying to say it as simply as possible for you - the BLM protests were in response to years of systemic racial justice issues within the police force.

It can easily be argued that Henry Nowak was failed by the police.
But it cannot be argued that this failure had anything to do with systemic racial justice issues within the police force.
That is the difference.

Sarah Everards death resulted in protests because of systemic violence towards women and girls.
But if a woman police officer killed a man, there wouldn’t be protests and riots because women killing men is not a systemic issue.

Why is attacking the police and being violent on the street going to help, when the majority of young white men who get arrested are treated pretty fairly by the police?

What outcome are these people hoping for?
What systemic change are they asking for?

I should imagine that the trial needed to be concluded first

oh, well that’s OK then. 🙄

have you heard yourself?

I’ll ask again. Who’s cleared them of any wrongdoing because the IOPC are still investigating.

It's appalling.

We are all horrified at what happened to that poor lad but this protest is not going to do any good - and the people protesting have their own agenda which has nothing to do with the case.

The guy who did the stabbing is well banged up, the police who made a gross misjudgement at the scene are in deep trouble, their fate yet to be decided. It's awful but rent-a-mob won't change anything.

I might have guessed Robinson would be involved, I hadn't read that.

No one was expected to do anything. I fully support the idea of taking the knee but I have never felt forced to do it and I have never done it.

Exactly!

So why loot and commit violence? How did that address systemic police abuse?

It is not only compassion, it is the sheer inhumanity and injustice of what happened to Henry. He heard is right being read to them (his rights, ha!) as he slipped away and died. When he begged for help, he was not believed. Completely helpless and being treated so very unfairly and unkindly. I don't blame the individual cops though, I blame the way the police and civil service are tackling racism and inequality. It's harmful to social cohesion law and order and needs to change.