AIBU to feel deeply unsettled by the Southampton protest scenes?

[HopelessPessimist]

Southampton protest against police, huge crowd, Tommy Robinson whipping everyone into a frenzy and saying "this IS about race"

Other speakers declaring that England is a Christian country. The Lords Prayer chanted by every speaker. The leader of UKIP saying he will deport all migrants and make government Christian. The leaders of the protest saying they are being pushed by the police cordon, while the camera angle shows the police haven't moved. The leaders of the protest mocking the female police officer who are taking over a shift from another police officer in the cordon "They're replacing all the men with women!"

This is awful. It feels like the start of civil war. Maybe human beings just aren't supposed to go decades without a fight.

Men reacting to male violence with more violence. Men are the problem. Violent in their actions & their inactions. I wish our female politicians & CEOs would lead like women, not trying to emulate men. We need a different way.

Not again. I just put something on the other thread. There may be questions to answer for the police but they should be questions with attentive listening to the answers, not bloody jumping on bandwagons. Policing is hard, no doubt they hear ‘I’ve been stabbed’ and ‘I can’t breathe’ many times from criminals who are very aware of their rights now.

I’m very unsettled by any lunatic demagogue who tries to drum up mobs.

Its absolutely awful, I dont know the answer to it

I know that during the riots and violence caused by black people being misjudged, or even not misjudged (Mark Duggan), there is always some sighing around it being inevtiable and somewhat justified, as if its ever justified. Any question of it being not justified is met with angry tones and virtue signaling that you're racist if you dare say that the rioting is not valid

They looked for stab wounds and couldn't see any there wasn't a puddle of blood. They called an ambulance for him. It all happened quickly and every piece of information they had been given was wrong

Sorry yes I wasn't clear. I feel a great sense of foreboding, like this is the start of race riots or civil war, but I also feel a bit silly to feel like that. And the fact it's moved beyond police brutality and into a crusade of a Christian Britain and mocking the idea of women police officers. It just feels too 'big' for want of a better word.

Can you blame the people for being angry that an accusation of “racism” was believed (very swiftly) over “I cant breathe, I’ve been stabbed”?
A decent 18 year old young man died through no fault of his own.

A beautiful young lad with his whole future. No you can't and don't make mistakes at these stakes with the training they should have at that level. They are unfit for the job, should not ever be allowed to police again and should face justice!

I totally understand why people are angry with the police in this situation, I think they handled it appallingly.

However I don’t think Tommy Robinson gives a flying fuck. He probably pissed himself with delight that he could use this to stir up hate and have a good old “protest”. He is a hateful, selfish waste of air.

What are the other cases?

I honestly don't get people saying "can you imagine if it was the other way around, there'd be uproar". There IS uproar and, yes, there should be. People need to be held to account. This shouldn't happen again.

The whole reason there is also uproar when minorities are on the receiving end, is because it has happened time and time again. Fortunately, I can't provide a shopping list of names of white boys who have died at the hands of police. I can name a fair few black though.

This country is in a terrible state. People can be willfully ignorant to wrongdoing until it happens to their own.

It is, of course, possible to feel unsettled by both of those things at the same time.

A whole thread of blaming the police instead of the actual murderer

I mean, in this case, it literally is directly about race.

Looking at the videos on X, that doesn't seem to actually be the case (at least at this point, it might change later). The protestors just look like ordinary members of the public. No-one wearing masks as far as I can see, which is normally the sign of people spoiling for a fight.

Agreed. Most people couldn’t care less or sit on the fence, terrified of ruining their reputation. But when it happens to them or theirs it’s a different story.

Yes. Got it in a nutshell.

And who benefits from that?

Digwa had been kicked out of his Gurdwara due to his behaviour. He stabbed Novak with a large knife that was not his kirpan. His mum took the knife away to hide the evidence, his brother told him in a covertly recorded meeting to say he did it in self defense.

The police made a complete mess of this, they shouldn't be making assumptions about anything. There was no reason not to check Novak properly for stab wounds. They should be prosecuted too.

Why do we want a Christian government, why do they need to be any religion? It's just nonsense.

And how many drs make mistakes everyday that harm people should we hate all drs and protest outside a hospital and attack all NHS workers

Are there protests today, op?

But Digwa has already been sentenced to life. The police haven't been held to account at all is the point. Isn't that obvious?

That poor, poor family having to suffer the murder of their beautiful young son and now this. It’s all so utterly abhorrent.

Doctors who make serious mistakes like this face serious consequences. In very serious cases of clinical negligence they can -and do- even find themselves in court facing manslaughter charges.

Protests always start like this until it gets dark and the ordinary people go home then people start turning up in balaclavas and starting throwing glass bottles, smashing up businesses and setting fire to police cars and ambulances.

If someone comes to hospital with stab wounds and the Dr tells them they're fine and to go home and they then die then yes, there probably should be protests about it. Of course no one should be being attacked though.

Did you feel as “deeply unsettled” when people did the same over Georg Floyd?

There's a protest outside the police station in Southampton currently.