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to think it is acceptable to smack someone if they touch your body, even if they have dementia?

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haleey · 25/05/2026 12:38

I visit my grandad in a care home regularly and sometimes male residents will touch women unexpectedly. I’ve had my waist touched, boobs grabbed and one man touched my privates while smiling at me. I know they are ill and confused, but honestly I think people act as though women are supposed to just tolerate it because “they can’t help it”.

Part of this for me is that I have been assaulted before, so my reflex when someone suddenly touches me unexpectedly is to hit out before I even properly think. It is an automatic panic response.

Recently one resident suddenly grabbed me and I instinctively smacked his hand away. One of the staff immediately told me off and said “he can’t help it”. I understand that dementia affects behaviour and judgement, but I found it upsetting that the focus instantly became about him rather than acknowledging that I had just been touched without consent and panicked.

I’m not talking about beating vulnerable elderly people or deliberately hurting confused residents. But I also don’t think women should be expected to quietly accept unwanted touching because the person is elderly or cognitively impaired.

OP posts:
ThreadGuardDog · 27/05/2026 13:44

FunMustard · 27/05/2026 13:13

Well that's certainly a way of interpreting what she said.

From an update Around 4 times. I have smacked them as a reflex each time and will continue to do so.

How else do you interpret that ? Most of the thread was taken up with trying to justify carrying on responding with physical force - it was well into the thread before OP disclosed she had complained to CQC. That’s what posters were responding to.

Differentforgirls · 27/05/2026 13:44

haleey · 27/05/2026 13:38

TRY READING.

It helps.

No thanks. If you are as rude in the nursing home as you are on this thread, they all probably dread you visiting.

ThreadGuardDog · 27/05/2026 13:46

Differentforgirls · 27/05/2026 13:44

No thanks. If you are as rude in the nursing home as you are on this thread, they all probably dread you visiting.

In response to one of my posts OP said she can’t recall being rude or insulting to anyone on the thread. One read through some of the rude, insulting and sarcastic responses blows that out of the water.

Differentforgirls · 27/05/2026 13:46

ThreadGuardDog · 27/05/2026 12:09

I lost mum six weeks ago at the age of 95, after a prolonged battle with vascular dementia. We managed to keep her at home with great GP support, a hospital bed and wonderful district nurses. I watched her disappear in front of me. Everything she was as a person, everything she was to me as a mum, gone. Long before she passed away. It got to the stage where I was praying for her to die because every day was agony for her and in her fleeting lucid moments there was terror in her eyes as she realised - thankfully only for seconds at a time - what was happening to her.

The pain responses were different too - what to you and I would be a light tap, caused her immeasurable pain. This was something explained to me by the district nurses because they used specialised equipment and sheeting to move her minimising any pain caused by normal touch. That’s why I object so strongly to the notion that a tap, swat or smack is harmless. It also suggests that they will learn from it - they won’t. The capacity for learning has gone, at best they will perceive they are being punished and have no idea why.

Thankfully I got my wish that mum died peacefully at home in her sleep and I didn’t have to put her into care and risk the kind of treatment meted out by those who think like OP.

Sorry for your loss 😢xx

Differentforgirls · 27/05/2026 13:47

haleey · 27/05/2026 13:40

You give such good advice to sexual assault survivors by saying that is just what you have to do.

I am one.

ThreadGuardDog · 27/05/2026 13:56

WhereistheAC · 27/05/2026 12:19

My dad had very early onset dementia (he was only late thirties) and it was devastating to witness as a teen. He was a lovely man, however I would've fully understood someone slapping his hand away, if he'd tired to grope them. Imo, it's just a natural instinct, even if you haven't got SA related PTSD.

And before someone says that's different because he wasn't elderly and frail, he used a walking stick and couldn't walk very far at all.

My mum started with dementia in her late eighties and displayed some similar tendencies to that described by OP - disinhibited and sexualised behaviour. If anyone had laid a hand on her in response to being touched or anything else, I’ll be honest, I’d have decked them. Dementia is miserable enough for all concerned without having to endure physical assault as a result of something over which you have no control. I don’t think it matters what age the sufferer is - it applies just as much to young people with severe learning and cognitive issues - a physical response is unacceptable, especially in a facility designed to safeguard the vulnerable.

WhereistheAC · 27/05/2026 14:02

ThreadGuardDog · 27/05/2026 13:56

My mum started with dementia in her late eighties and displayed some similar tendencies to that described by OP - disinhibited and sexualised behaviour. If anyone had laid a hand on her in response to being touched or anything else, I’ll be honest, I’d have decked them. Dementia is miserable enough for all concerned without having to endure physical assault as a result of something over which you have no control. I don’t think it matters what age the sufferer is - it applies just as much to young people with severe learning and cognitive issues - a physical response is unacceptable, especially in a facility designed to safeguard the vulnerable.

Not sure why you've quoted me. I know the realities of dementia.

I'm very sorry about your mum, but we obviously just have very different opinions on this.

haleey · 27/05/2026 14:04

Differentforgirls · 27/05/2026 13:44

No thanks. If you are as rude in the nursing home as you are on this thread, they all probably dread you visiting.

Ok don't read and carry on saying crap that is not true.

OP posts:
Differentforgirls · 27/05/2026 14:04

haleey · 27/05/2026 14:04

Ok don't read and carry on saying crap that is not true.

Is that an order?

haleey · 27/05/2026 14:04

Differentforgirls · 27/05/2026 13:47

I am one.

Then your advice is correct for every other sexual assault survivor 🙄

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Differentforgirls · 27/05/2026 14:05

haleey · 27/05/2026 14:04

Then your advice is correct for every other sexual assault survivor 🙄

Thanks for your sympathy. True colours.

haleey · 27/05/2026 14:06

WhereistheAC · 27/05/2026 14:02

Not sure why you've quoted me. I know the realities of dementia.

I'm very sorry about your mum, but we obviously just have very different opinions on this.

People are not allowed to have different experiences apparently.

OP posts:
MissMoneyFairy · 27/05/2026 14:08

haleey · 27/05/2026 14:04

Then your advice is correct for every other sexual assault survivor 🙄

Is your advice correct for every survivor

AlcoholicAntibiotic · 27/05/2026 14:08

ThreadGuardDog · 27/05/2026 13:56

My mum started with dementia in her late eighties and displayed some similar tendencies to that described by OP - disinhibited and sexualised behaviour. If anyone had laid a hand on her in response to being touched or anything else, I’ll be honest, I’d have decked them. Dementia is miserable enough for all concerned without having to endure physical assault as a result of something over which you have no control. I don’t think it matters what age the sufferer is - it applies just as much to young people with severe learning and cognitive issues - a physical response is unacceptable, especially in a facility designed to safeguard the vulnerable.

So are you saying people should just have to put up with being touched if they don’t want to be? I wouldn’t slap anyone, but I’d definitely move hands / push them away if they wouldn’t get off me and I was in a position I couldn’t move myself away (moving away would likely be my first reaction). I don’t think that’s unreasonable.

haleey · 27/05/2026 14:09

MissMoneyFairy · 27/05/2026 14:08

Is your advice correct for every survivor

Which advice did I give?

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ParmaVioletTea · 27/05/2026 14:23

AlcoholicAntibiotic · 27/05/2026 14:08

So are you saying people should just have to put up with being touched if they don’t want to be? I wouldn’t slap anyone, but I’d definitely move hands / push them away if they wouldn’t get off me and I was in a position I couldn’t move myself away (moving away would likely be my first reaction). I don’t think that’s unreasonable.

Of course that's not unreasonable - gentle removal of inappropriate touch from someone who has severely diminished cognitive ability and dementia-induced disinhibition.

But not slapping or smacking away. That is unacceptable.

haleey · 27/05/2026 14:27

AlcoholicAntibiotic · 27/05/2026 14:08

So are you saying people should just have to put up with being touched if they don’t want to be? I wouldn’t slap anyone, but I’d definitely move hands / push them away if they wouldn’t get off me and I was in a position I couldn’t move myself away (moving away would likely be my first reaction). I don’t think that’s unreasonable.

Some people on this thread think it is not compassionate to react physically in any manner to being touched in an unwanted way by someone with dementia.

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BIossomtoes · 27/05/2026 14:29

bellsofnorwich · 27/05/2026 11:40

People can't even read the thread title correctly.

People can't even read the opening sentences, and grasp that there have been multiple sexual assaults on the OP by multiple male residents. The last one was by a man who, after he'd grabbed OP and she'd batted his hand away, the nurse informed her had dementia. It doesn't mean they all have dementia and therefore can be allowed to paw and grab as they wish.

And people bring their own experience and globalise it: eg "Most care home residents have dementia." Er, no, they don't. There are many reasons why people of all ages end up in care homes.

Er they do. 70% of care home residents have dementia.

ThreadGuardDog · 27/05/2026 14:31

Differentforgirls · 27/05/2026 13:27

But that's exactly what you have to do. After my husband was groped, we just looked to see where the person was when we went in and avoided her.

This is what I’m having difficulty with. OP appears to be saying she’s being inappropriately touched by different people each time - surely once is enough for you to take steps to avoid it.

TheignT · 27/05/2026 14:33

haleey · 27/05/2026 14:27

Some people on this thread think it is not compassionate to react physically in any manner to being touched in an unwanted way by someone with dementia.

No they think it is wrong to hit them. Apparently also known as swatting, swiping, slapping away, slapping gently but actually it's just plain old hitting.

ThreadGuardDog · 27/05/2026 14:38

BIossomtoes · 27/05/2026 14:29

Er they do. 70% of care home residents have dementia.

Yep. And approximately one third of those are undiagnosed, having been admitted to care homes due to other difficulties and having developed some form of illness affecting behaviour and cognition. Making it vastly more likely that on visiting a care home you will at some point encounter someone with these issues. There have been many threads highlighting that the care system is broken. This is the only one I’ve ever seen which seems to want to blame the residents for the failures of the care services that are supposed to be safeguarding them.

ThreadGuardDog · 27/05/2026 14:44

haleey · 27/05/2026 14:27

Some people on this thread think it is not compassionate to react physically in any manner to being touched in an unwanted way by someone with dementia.

Because it’s not. And it’s been pointed out to you time and again that the law is on the side of the vulnerable person being ‘physically reacted to’ rather than that of the person physically reacting. And that’s as it should be. The person doing the touching is not aware they are doing anything wrong - the disease has taken away any capacity they had for that. The law will not support a criminal prosecution for someone who doesn’t have the capacity to understand their actions. You on the other hand, have the capacity to understand that that person cannot help those actions, so it’s down to you to react appropriately and it’s entirely unacceptable to hit them. You can dress it up to minimise it any way you want - swat, slap, smack, tap. You’re hitting vulnerable people who don’t understand why they’re being hit. In the eyes of the law you are the one doing the assaulting. Why is this such a difficult concept to accept ?

ThreadGuardDog · 27/05/2026 14:48

AlcoholicAntibiotic · 27/05/2026 14:08

So are you saying people should just have to put up with being touched if they don’t want to be? I wouldn’t slap anyone, but I’d definitely move hands / push them away if they wouldn’t get off me and I was in a position I couldn’t move myself away (moving away would likely be my first reaction). I don’t think that’s unreasonable.

Absolutely not. I’m saying it’s entirely reasonable to move their hands away and move away or gently push them away - assuming there’s no risk of them falling or otherwise injuring themselves. In a more difficult situation it’s entirely reasonable to call for help. But any form of physical retaliation is unacceptable and unnecessary.

Differentforgirls · 27/05/2026 14:54

haleey · 27/05/2026 14:27

Some people on this thread think it is not compassionate to react physically in any manner to being touched in an unwanted way by someone with dementia.

No one said that. I do understand it.

But please try to understand that people with dementia aren't perverts. They are frightened people who have no control over anything. Thoughts, deeds, where they live, where they sleep, what they eat, what's around them. Plus, they may also be abuse survivors. They might be touched in an unwanted way every single day but can do SFA about it.

One of my biggest pleasures is my home. I love it. The thought of having that taken away from me and having to live with complete strangers in a home that's not mine and not being surrounded by the things I love is something I never want to experience.

Btw, your thread is reaching an end so you might want to start a part two and link it in here.

I think this thread has been good as it's generated a discussion about people with dementia.

Whether people agree with you or not, I think it's a topic worthy of discussing.

Better than the *£100k doesn't go far these days" or "People on benefits get more then me" shit that we're usually subjected to.

ThreadGuardDog · 27/05/2026 15:02

haleey · 26/05/2026 15:40

I am talking about your amazing instinctive response that is able to detect people who are vulnerable.

If you’re unable to detect a vulnerable person within the confines of a care home specifically intended for the vulnerable, that is tantamount to being unable to find your own arse with both hands.

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