Really depressed I didn’t just go on Ozempic - only maintained for a year

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I don’t know I really need a rant.

I feel really angry and upset at myself. To the point i just want to scream/cry.

Last year i lost 55 pounds without glp 1s. I totally cut out carbs (well I’d eat sweet potatoes if absolutely necessary). And just made an effort not to use food as a crutch. It worked fairly well as the weight came off.

I decided I needed more moderation. The no carb thing was just making me have cravings. So I started eating jackets, pasta salads etc. Not ideal as I have pcos but I try to be sensible. Ie having cooled down pasta to make it resistant or whatever. Not smothering pasta in cheese etc.

Its meant my weight loss has completely stalled. I’m happy that I’ve not gained all the weight back. But still. I’ve been eating in moderation for a year and not lost weight! I can’t deny this anger is compounded by the fact I saw my friend for lunch today. She’s lost 5 stone in 5 months using Mounjaro.

I just want to weep. I wish I just started on Ozempic or similar. I’m at my goal weight but to be honest I’d love another stone off. I don’t know why I didn’t go
on a glp 1. I just knew in my heart that my weight was not “inexplicable”. I was eating far too much out of boredom.

Just another sunny day wasted hating myself even though I’ve tried 😢

I’ve been going to the gym too. How pathetic to be this mindful and to not have lost any weight.

'Slim people' are not a homogeneous community who all think and feel the same. What divisive crap.

I went through a phase of severe stomach aches due to SIBO. I think the answer is that your brain learns the consequences of eating and you just don’t.

Neither are fat people or people on WLI. The absolute bare faced irony

Where have I claimed they are?

I know you don't agree with that, you've posted it about 40 times, and I've acknowledged it each and every time.

I didn't say everyone who takes Ozempic is obese - so I don't need to stop being 'silly'. But loathing an entire group of strangers because some in the population might have misused a drug is beyond bizarre. Also, for the second time, Ozempic is only prescribed in the UK for diabetes, the people you can't find empathy for that are paying 'hundreds of pounds a month' - won't be using Ozempic. They'll be using Mounjaro (a totally different drug), or Wegovy.

Taking WLI's isn't just about looking better for obese people, it's about losing weight so they don't die young, or end up with any of the endless list of medical problems obesity causes. That's why it's prescribed on the NHS, if it was about vanity...it wouldn't be.

I really can't fathom why you're so hung up about it, if you don't need/want to use it. But that's the eternal question no one ever seems to want to answer on these threads.

What argument, that you think it’s ok to criticise people who use weight loss injections for vanity. I’m not going to address it as many others have, I said up thread, I’m all good with that, I think mental health is also important. You’re right, I have no argument on this, as I honestly don’t care if you wish to criticise women who use it for vanity, crack on whatever makes you feel better about your own situation.

you really seem to think you thinking less of people or wanting to criticise women for their choices is some big deal that will have people wounded. As much as I admire your sense of self grandiose, for me you can take out a full page ad, shout it from the rooftops, I simply don’t care and I doubt anyone else does, it onky reflects on you, not them.

I was discussing WLI with a friend who is a consultant in the NHS and what he thinks of the people getting private prescriptions at a lower weight, I was curious if he saw it as 'misuse'. I thought he made a really good point, he said he would never advocate that the NHS should provide gym memberships or personal training for everyone in the country to stay healthy. But he would want those who can afford them and are in a position to take that responsibility to do so, and he feels the same about WLI. He is concerned at the number who absolutely can't afford them who need them though, and hopes that will change.

If someone takes a WLI due to 'vanity', staying at a healthy weight still reduces their likelihood of needing NHS support. There are many heath related conditions, or conditions complicated by weight, including many cancers.

I can’t believe you genuinely wonder this all the time but if you do, it’s comparing two completely different things. ‘Food noise’ isn’t about choosing to ignore life threatening illness or suddenly finding willpower in extreme medical situations. It’s about a persistent, compulsive drive to eat that (for many people) feels genuinely difficult or impossible to override through willpower alone...including eating when half asleep, in pain, feeling sick or when you know you don’t even really want to.

Before I started Mounjaro, I thought ‘food noise’ was a bit of a nonsense term too. I assumed it wouldn’t work for me because I don’t just eat when I’m hungry, I literally eat all the time, regardless of what else is going on or whether I actually want food.

The fact that GLP1s switch that off instantly for people like me is exactly the point. It shows there’s a biological mechanism driving it, not just a character flaw or lack of discipline (as much as some people would love that to be the case). If you can’t relate to that, that’s understandable, I wouldn’t have been able to either without experiencing it. In the same way, I find it hard to understand compulsions like alcohol addiction as I've not lived it.

As for whether I’d eat if I had advanced colon cancer, I honestly don’t know, I’ll make a note to come back and update you if it ever happens. But in real life, people don’t behave in neat, logical ways when they’re seriously ill. You’ll see examples all the time of people continuing habits even during severe illness, like smoking during lung cancer treatment. Human behaviour under illness or distress simply isn’t that consistent or rational.

As awful as your diagnosis is, I'm not sure why it links to a scathing attack on people using weight loss medicine? Even if they were just lazy and could lose weight without the meds but chose not to, it doesn't relate to your illness, or deny you anything, in any way. And so again, I'm left wondering why people that don't need/want the meds are so vitriolic about them.

You’re at your goal weight and maintaining!… THAT IS AMAZING!!
If you want to loose another stone then remember that last stone comes off VERY slowly! Download an app like fatsecret (free app) which helps you calculate calories and has a barcode scanner… and count calories.
Please don’t be envious of your friends weight loss, 5 stone in 5 months is extrememly unhealthy! Some of her weight loss will be muscle, we women need to keep our muscle as we age and oestrogen falls…
My friend lost a LOT of weight on monjaro and her appetite has now returned despite still being on it .. she’s now back up to her starting weight!
loosing weight fast isn’t the answer. Be proud of your lifestyle changes - your method is not only MUCH healthier for you but is also sustainable!

Back to the question why cutting out an entire food group for a year is healthier than using a GLP1?

Doesn’t the weight go back on with the injections when you stop taking them though? You’re more likely to maintain the loss or put on less again because you did it yourself, if the articles I’ve read are anything to go by. Don’t get envy because someone did it a different way and quicker. If you e a healthy BMI celebrate that rather than be jealous at someone doing it a different way.

I also thought "food noise" was nonsense until I started MJ.
And then I could have cried at the absolute relief when it was gone. I couldn't quite believe it. The realisation that this is how other brains work.
I think its akin to ADHD meds.
But my god its a relief.
55 years I've been alive and feel like its been a fight against myself. I've been some degree of fat my whole adult life.
The actually being able to control what I ate was life altering and not just my weight.
I dont intend to ever stop. And again not just because of my weight.
Though I have reduced my BMI from 46 to 31 and improved my health immeasurably.

The stats about weight regain for people on WLI don't always provide the context that all weight loss routes have a high chance of regaining all the weight back in a couple of years. Jabs are only secondary in their effectiveness to gastric surgery.

surgery has a 60 percent regain rate. I can’t imagine going through that then regaining it all back.

Medical literature is your friend - try reading some

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Obesity is a killer - WLI can help prevent death by obesity related diseases and can be a life saving drug.

Some cancers are obesity related.

Type 2 diabetes can be obesity related.

On one analysis, some cancers could be prevented ted if obesity is treated - so no need for chemo.

On another analysis, type 2 diabetes can be reverse with WLI, both in relation to their original use for Hba1c reduction and weight reduction. Rendering insulin unnecessary.

TLDR: WLIs can be life saving medical interventions. Prejudice/ignorance, compounded by celebrity misuse, means some people don't see them as the life saving medical intervention they can be and casually dismiss them as 'fat jabs' or 'skinny jabs'

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You do care about what I’m saying because you would just not bother commenting. I can judge. I can say whatever I like. You can choose to ignore me.

There are posters on here who are also trying to give me their point of view. I don’t care so I ignore. It’s really simple. They go away in the end.

Ive made my point. It’s not changing because a few people who have chosen skinny jabs don’t like my view.

Is that what you think, if someone responds to you, they must care about your opinion? That’s genuinely really sad.

No one you were responding to has gone away. You were so offended by my mention of chemo that you’ve gone on to write at least six separate comments telling me how upset you were by it. Does that mean you really care what I personally think, or just that you found my comment offensive?

Any joy on that question of why something you don’t need or want is if such interest to you?!

Yeah. Why else would you keep responding? Are you saying you don’t care? I don’t believe it!

Oh, I lost around 6 stone (5 dress sizes). I'm now a size 10 (5'7") and I have wobbly bits. Mostly loose skin (I'm nearly 58, collagen is not what it was), but don't be so hard on yourself. You've done a great job, you haven't regained the weight. No matter how much weight you lose, you'll probably always be critical of yourself - we all are.

It's hard to lose weight without WLI - it's mentally taxing and often soul destroying.

I don't think OP was boasting. I think she's facing the prospect of mentally suffering for the rest of her life. It's not dramatic - it's how weight is for some people.

It’s not that hard to lose it without WLI. Keeping it off is pretty hard.