I'm fed up with everyone tiptoeing around Brexit having been rubbish

[paddleboardingmum]

We can all see how it hasn't stopped immigration, we don't have the more money for the NHS that was promised, and everyone is worse off. I'm sure even many who voted for it - who were conned at the time- also can see it was rubbish. Isn't it time for people to stop pretending it was a good idea. That doesn't mean we need to rejoin right now or blame anybody, but I think it's time to just face facts and stop trying to pretend it was a good idea.

Totally agree, the OBR report is quite damming

Why do you think we don't all know this?

I think it’s more a sense that what’s done is done and to try and make the best of it.

I’m not sure anyone truly believes it was a spectacular success.

Who in earth is "tiptoeing"?

On the news and TV politicians etc @missmollygreen

You are lying that everyone is ‘tiptoeing’, this has been widely discussed for years

I wish there was some way to hold the politicians who shamelessly pushed it to advance their careers to account (Gove, Johnson, Patel etc). It was utterly clear that Johnson didn't actually support it or expect it to happen, it was just his way of ousting Cameron. Utterly cretinous behaviour which we're all paying the price for.

Do you think we are the only country that is the middle of a COL crisis? The bills are rising everywhere, we can't just blame Brexit.

I think most people who voted for it weren’t conned, and to say so is just patronising. The reason many who voted for it think it hasn’t worked is because the implementation has been left to people who wanted it to fail and therefore hasn’t been done competently or in the UK’s best interest.

Interestingly Nigel Farage wrote a piece the other day highlighting to the people of Makerfield how Andy Burnham wants to re-enter the EU.

This makes me think there must be polling to show that the people in Reform/Brexit-voting communities like Makerfield still think Brexit has improved things.

I would be genuinely interested to hear how they perceive the effects of Brexit - and not in a condescending way, but because it’s a point of view I would like to better understand.

I'm more annoyed/exhausted/furious about people still putting their trust in the grifters who said Brexit would be great e.g. Farage et al.

People definitely don't blame Farage for it do they. For him to be so successful we have to pretend it was still all a good idea when it really wasn't.

I blame Cameron. Why put such an important decision to a public vote when people can be so easily manipulated.

It's all anyone talks about?

It's literally what Streeting is trying to make the by-election about - 10 years after the vote!

You are lying that everyone is ‘tiptoeing’, this has been widely discussed for years

Strange thing to say- I'm giving my opinion.

Why would they want to worsen themselves by ensuring it was a failure? This is what the kids call “cope”.

How should it have been implemented and how would you account for the fact that it’s not simply us dictating what our post Brexit relationship would look like. Others get a say too.

Well me too. I think stating everyone is tiptoeing around it is disingenuous really when it’s been such a hotly discussed topic for years.

I recently spoke to a working class Brexit voter who has no regrets.

She said it wasn't really about leaving the EU. It was about sending a message to an establishment that despises people like her.

She also said the EU is a totally corrupt organisation that is obsessed with things like diversity quotas, and she hates that.

I don't think anyone is tiptoeing tbh - I think it is 'writ large' that everyone knows it was a completely crap idea. The rest of Europe is both agog and laughing behind hands held to mouths.
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No it's relentless yelling

I'm saying people (politicians, people on TV and so on) won't talk about how damaging it was @ToKittyornottoKitty I'm not saying nobody has discussed it for years am I, that would be silly. I'm saying people are not being straightforward enough about how badly it turned out.