I'm fed up with everyone tiptoeing around Brexit having been rubbish

[paddleboardingmum]

We can all see how it hasn't stopped immigration, we don't have the more money for the NHS that was promised, and everyone is worse off. I'm sure even many who voted for it - who were conned at the time- also can see it was rubbish. Isn't it time for people to stop pretending it was a good idea. That doesn't mean we need to rejoin right now or blame anybody, but I think it's time to just face facts and stop trying to pretend it was a good idea.

I disagree.

If we hadn’t left we would still have all the boats but we would be £9 billion pounds down (net) or £15 billion gross a year.

My friends have bought properties in France post Brexit, DH still has plenty of work in the EU despite him saying it would all go and students are still studying over there.

It’s fine. And if it’s not perfect now, it will change anyway as countries round the world rise and fall.

The EU accounts for 40% of exports.

If you a looking at whether something is a success or not, you need to look at a bigger picture than the success of one business man. There are People of course that made money out of Brexit but overall economists forecasted that it would leave the UK worse off and it has.

I know, it’s shocking isn’t it. I sit here and look at mainland Europe. They have no cost of living crisis; no illegal immigration issue. I don’t understand how other people can’t see that. If only we had the growth that Germany has. Only super intelligent and completely unbiased people like us can see it for what it is.

The issue with Brexit is that the British negotiation team went in unprepared and treated it like a joke. Meanwhile the EU had no interest in making it a success and negotiated as such. A lot of people forget what led to the Brexit referendum. A whole election was won off the back of securing a ‘better’ deal, and then if that wasn’t achieved putting it to a public vote.
Should the UK gov have used the vote results to further negotiate? Probably. But nobody planned for vote leave to win.

The annual estimates of loses to the UK economy from Brexit vary at lot but are between 100 billion to 200 billion.

i mean you are right, Prehaps in the future the UK might rise. But at the moment, it is undeniable that it was an act of self harm.

It feels like tiptoeing to me, too. Bcz no political party would be successful with electorate by campaigning to reverse Brexit. So everyone who thinks Brexit was a disaster and says so, also tiptoes around not saying they would campaign to rejoint.

During the referendum campaign, There were constant warnings about disruption & Britain being poorer and having less influence in the world. Since June 2016, Even people who voted Remain said "Don't ignore the will of the people". We were also constantly told "People knew what they were voting for." People were told Brexit would damage the economy, that's what they voted for, and that's what they think democracy means should continue to happen. <shrug> Enjoy your "sovereignty." <shrug>

This is pure cope. The people who wanted it were all over the Tories - don’t you remember the European Research Group? Brexit hard man Steve Baker was put in charge of sorting out the Northern Ireland situation and then - surprise - discovered he couldn’t do it. All that blow hard politicking and pure belief came to nothing with faced with reality.

No I’m sorry that’s absolute bollocks.

Voters have a duty to inform themselves of their decisions and to take responsibility for it. It’s a slippery slope from they can’t be trusted on the Brexit vote, so why would they be trusted with any vote at all.

People who voted for Brexit and who now regret it should be looking their own foolishness in the eye, not trying to shift the blame onto David Cameron/Nigel Farage/ anyone else.

The anti-intellectualism behind that comment is staggering.
Brexit is a folly built on Hubris, and every disappointed voter needs to understand why they personally were willingly blind and deaf to the downsides which they were told about.

The media has been going on for years about how badly Brexit has been ballsed up by incompetent Conservatives. It is one of the reasons they are not doing very well in elections at the moment. People who feel strongly about it blame our woes on beingin or out of the EU, depending which side they are on. The reality is that all countries are having a tough time at the moment and both options come with pros and cons. Personally, I would benefit from being in the EU but I think the country as a whole needs a really effective British government more than it needs to part of the European Union.

People talk about the EU as if it's some sun lit economic utopia. In reality, most of its big members are dealing with stagnant growth, bad public finances, and the same mass asylum and illegal immigration pressures as everyone else, often worse. France, Italy, Germany have debt problems, budget problems, social unrest and weak productivity. Spain has a huge housing crisis and has caused upset by granting citizenship to over 500k undocumented illegal immigrants.

The Dublin Agreement does not work.

This idea that the UK is miles behind is just comforting mythology.

How would the average Briton's life be improved by hooking us back up to the political bloc?

A lot. Reducing trade friction with our closest trading partners would be a big help, and it would improve food supplies and supply chains for British businesses (including farmers and fishermen). That on its own would help us. We also need to start arming ourselves against Russia, and closer cooperation with the other European democracies will be helpful for that, too.

All Brexit has done has been to make us smaller and weaker in every way. And now that Trump has made kicking his allies around into a voter winner at home, we can’t even get anything out of sucking up to the US.

I agree. Brexit is the one thing that isn't properly talked about. We could do with the ways in which it has negatively affected us being openly discussed. I don't know that trying to rejoin would be a good idea at this moment - perhaps if it was discussed, I'd have more idea.
If we hadn’t left we would still have all the boats but we would be £9 billion pounds down (net) or £15 billion gross a year.The boats only started coming post-Brexit (2019?). They come now because we can no longer send them back now we're not in the EU.

Why?

Boris Johnson's face, after months of rallying up the masses, when the country actually voted to withdraw was certainly something.

It just highlighted almost perfectly how little seriousness they all had with what they were doing didn't it. None of them took the fact it could happen as any type of serious threat, hence Boris rally up the masses and Cameron's half hearted attempt at EU "negotiations" then Bamb, consequences to your actions.

Great. Hope she’s happier now?

I don’t believe anyone who voted for Brexit should be allowed to apply for an Irish/EU passport although I’m aware that there is no way of implementing this.

Yup, but as always, we get fucked anyway.

lol because everyone is currently so delighted with how immigration is handled in the UK?

Wha do you mean ‘nobody is allowed to say’? Thats just not true, so stop making things up. You are allowed to say it.

On a rational note, and not a hysterical one, being against Brexit is reasonably logical position to have. Calling voters stupid? Well, how’s that working out for you so far?

I think people have been shouting it for years but just given up because we got called remoaners . In the end we just thought ‘ fuck it feeling the pain is going to be the only thing that wakes you up to it you morons’!

Tiptoeing? 🤣

It's the most whinged about topic on here alongside Reform. I think your post applies more to Labour.

I agree. They're all terrified of offending the small number of clowns who still think it was a good idea. Why are we being held hostage by the opinions of idiots? They voted for this mess and they should be made to own it. Instead we have politicians worried about upsetting then.

Whatever about the rights and wrongs of this approach. Why would the UK have to do what Spain did?

It’s not EU policy it’s solely a Spanish one.

Because apparently that’s what people wanted. I think he underestimated the influence and money Farage brought to the “debate”.

So people who voted for it know it was a terrible idea and has fatally weakened our economy but they don’t regret it because it gave them an opportunity to stick two fingers up at the people who told them it was going to happen?

And its all OK and we can continue to stick our fingers in our ears and carry on as long as no one is being patronised? Jesus wept.

I agree OP. The fact we ate still indulging this denial is deeply disturbing. I don’t know what it says about us that we can’t acknowledge that we have fucked up.