I'm fed up with everyone tiptoeing around Brexit having been rubbish

[paddleboardingmum]

We can all see how it hasn't stopped immigration, we don't have the more money for the NHS that was promised, and everyone is worse off. I'm sure even many who voted for it - who were conned at the time- also can see it was rubbish. Isn't it time for people to stop pretending it was a good idea. That doesn't mean we need to rejoin right now or blame anybody, but I think it's time to just face facts and stop trying to pretend it was a good idea.

Steady on there.

Now you're talking actual data.

I checked this out and in real terms it could actually be claimed that the NHS has had a real term increase of about double 0.35 billion/week in 2026 over what it had in 2016.

Money for the NHS came from additional taxation and cuts to other departments.
No Brexit windfall. There were no financial upsides.

Wrong about what, sorry? I asked a question. You posted the answer. It’s nonsense.

The UK leaving the EU is not the opposite of Welsh independence at all. Wales would leave the UK, in the same way the UK left the EU. Only it would be much harder for Wales since it has no currency of its own, no central bank, and the EU won’t touch it with a barge pole because of Catalonia.

Wales voted Leave. Plaid didn’t campaign on an independence platform. Let’s see how they get on - personally, I’m really happy that Plaid did so well. I think they’ll be great for Wales, certainly better than Labour has been for the last decades.

Thanks for the holiday invite though! 😁

Of course there were. We’ve stopped paying billions in members’ fees. Billions.

This, the saying cutting off your nose to spite your face comes to mind.

And slashed GDP by 6-8%, lost inward investment and as a result damaged productivity!

Also people forget the financial impact of covid plus the Ukraine war and now Iran, plus other factors like poor weather for certain crops which lead to shortages of some fruit and veg.

And lost even more in trade and growth...

Are you saying you think Brexit delivered what was promised?

Covid masked the direct impact from Brexit

And all countries suffer from the effects of Covid, climate change, Ukraine war and Iran war

No but I agree with post I quoted above.

YANBU - nobody listened and now it’s the fault of disabled people that standards of living have dropped according to the same people who voted for this shit show.

Brexit has damaged our economy ON TOP of all the other global issues.
Hiding behind those doesn’t mean Brexit had zero impact - we limited our trade, created new barriers, wasted umpteen years of government and parliamentary time & energy and we had to deal with everything else as well.

Given how instrumental Farage was in the lies leading to Brexit and how much momentum he's getting now - we definitely need to remind people (some of whom have VERY short memories) that the man is an opportunistic liar and a dangerous charlatan.

Not on the EU - not an attractive investing proposition. We have lost a lot. Ireland with low business tax, has benefitted. We might have saved the annual fee but we’ve lost so much more and made it very very challenging and more expensive for trade. We were never going to make up the loss with the USA, India and China. Most sensible people knew this but others didn’t care and bought into the rhetoric. It’s a game to Farage. No cost to him is there!?

You are confusing uk politics with Brexit. We paid to be a member of the EU. We stopped paying when we left but there were still outstanding liabilities. Beyond that it is all political decisions on how to spend money and how to raise it, how to manage borders, how to manage trade, what legislation to pass. Additional taxation could pay for EU membership or NHS hospitals or lower taxation could raise more money by attracting businesses. Legislation and Navy could protect our borders and halt immigration or politicians could do as they have done and choose to allow it. We could chose a student exchange scheme that provides opportunities for 40,000 uk student per annum or rejoin Erasmus which supported half the number of UK students but cost a huge amount more.

The EU is definitely not a socialist project. I think that was one of the objections raised when we went in, and equally, why quite a lot of left wing people supported coming out.

Brexit wasn’t a zero sum game. The cumulative losses to our GDP & investment saw to that.

Even on here there's one or two who would have it that things are now great with the NHS! we've got the evidence with our own eyes, ears and hospital waiting lists.

Farage seems to get a lot of publicity and also has got the support of a whole news channel GB news- which I think is really bad and wonder why it's allowed? also Talk TV and then it seems like the Daily Mail and other right wing papers are doing his work for him as well. So perhaps that makes it easier for his supporters to ignore the reality of what Brexit has given us?

One million people voted to leave the European Union in Scotland.

So who has actually said things are now great with the NHS ?

That would be Wes Streeting. Who is obviously talking out of his arse.

Eh, come to Scotland. No one is tiptoeing around it, and about 98% of us knew it was a stupid,shit, devastating policy to vote for.

If 98% of Scots had voted remain then the overall vote would have been remain.

The referendum should never have been which option got most votes, it should have been a minimum of 70% in order for leave to be triggered. A business would never make a decision based on a couple of percentage points, too many other factors at play.

If we have a referendum to rejoin what should the percentage be for rejoining/changing the status quo - 60%, 70%?

TBH I think the greater issue was the basket case Conservative government that implemented it. They were chaotic. I’m sure a lot of them knew the problems were going to be huge, but they had their careers to make. The myth seems to be somehow no one else noticed internationally. It has put us in a bad place for the investment we need, and just at the point when we need a lot of growth to sustain our commitments on debt, defence, and pensions. Maybe it would have beaten any government. Labour have the same issues in a similar way, chop leaders, pathetic growth, cannot make cuts, Chancellors with the same tactics to balance a budget.

There are a minority of Brexit people who harbour a Singapore on Thames fantasy - that is not arriving any time soon.