The Left have a become a snivelling self-righteous mob, busy bodying around, trying to shame others

[Northermcharn]

I read this quote and it encapsulates exactly how I feel

'I never thought I'd see the day when the Right became the cool ones giving the finger to the establishment, and the Left became the snivelling self-righteous ones going around shaming everybody'

AIBU to think this is what many people think these days? We didn't leave the left, the left left us.

*the quote is from John Lydon aka Johnny Rotten. He's deliberately provocative in lots of ways, but he meant this one. I fully expect some people to come on the thread to tell us all how he's a horror and said he likes Donald Trump. That would be them missing the point.. but.. Let Them..

Facebook definitely needs better moderation, like all social media platforms.

As many as would want to come. And taxing the billionaires more proportionately would absolutely be enough to finance as many as 18 million additional people in the country.

Not that I particularly care about that argument because capitalism is only a couple of years from being completely toppled anyway. Then anyone can live where they want without having to 'prove their financial worth' to society.

I think this is actually the thinking behind govts who have enabled mass immigration, from Blair onwards: import the next generations of voters.

Trouble is you get a reaction, which we are seeing now in the success of Reform and the loss of votes for Labour. Ironically even Tony Blair has come out and said we need to get a grip on our borders.

One way to catapult Reform into power with a landslide majority!

The voters will naturally switch over to the Green Party, who are more sympathetic to the plight of minorities both here and overseas.

But ultimately, if you claim to be someone of the left, you need to put all Party politics aside and come together to invite as many people to this island as you can before 2028. Get everybody naturalised and start aggressively marketing policies that these people genuinely are concerned about. The white working class can safely be ignored, they are a diminishing demographic and this is their final act of defiance against what is good for them.

That is what needs to happen. Hopefully the left can see the bigger picture and come together to make the future we all want a certainty.

You would not only lose the billionaires, you’d lose every last taxpayer full stop. Those unable to leave would down tools.

Is this a windup? 'The white working class can safely be ignored ...'

I think Reform should put this on their election leaflets to show the thinking of the liberals and leftists. Reform would win a landslide.

I’m not sure if this is parody or serious.

This is exactly what I see, every day.

It's not being a snivelling lefty for calling these people for what they are - bigoted racist scumbags. There are no grey areas here, and freedom of speech doesn't mean these views shouldn't be criticised.

Of course we need to understand why people feel like this, but that's not the same thing as pandering to their worst instincts.

I agree, incidentally, that cancel culture (a) is a thing (b) is driven by the left and (c) needs to change.

Hmmm shame the Greens aren't more sympathetic to you know the actual tax payers. You're completely deluded but your thinking is an own goal for Reform. You're still not getting it. Oh yes this thread was certainly made with you in mind. Arrogance personified insisting you know best. Its good entertainment though.

This is one poster's view, and respectfully to that poster, it's mental.

I am white working class, I'm anti-racist, pro-immigration (within parameters) and support higher taxes and better public services.

How dare s/he say that I can 'safely be ignored'. @InstantlyBella doesn't realise how hateful her post is.

If were up to you the country would be bankrupt within a month. Please tell me you're not one of those calling the right thick. Talk of hounding and ostracising British born citizens if they don't agree with your politics. The real face of fascism. Utterly repulsive thinking.

I just want to clarify by the way that when I stated that they could be safely ignored, I meant the anti-immigration and pro-patriotism aspect of the white working class. Not every person from that particular community. Don't take me out of context please.

People talk about LEFT and RIGHT as if what we hear and see in the media encapsulates everyone under those umbrella’s. The voices that are amplified are those that are loudest and those that are in the extremes. Most people live along the spectrum. Most people aren’t hatful (which ever wing you fall on). People have different priorities, and so we should. People have different living experiences. The left and the right are your neighbours and family and friends. It’s time we stop putting so much credence into what the loud mouths are saying. And find common community.

Nothing surprises me about the left anymore. Their hateful ideology is the exact opposite of Hope not hate. Do as I say not as I do.

I think that poster is taking the piss?

Ah you mean those who you arrogantly assign rationale to. So Bella reckons we should go back to stool dunking. Let's find out if those voters are witches eh. Frightening form of control.

I'm not so sure.

"The left' as you put it, haven't been shaming people enough. If you know anybody who voted Reform or intends to vote Reform in the future you need to call them out in public, make them explain themselves to society/their friends/colleagues etc. Make them a pariah in society. They'll get the message soon enough."

I guess she's dusting of the old dunking stool as we speak.

Having read the posts on here, it seems to me that people are conflating anyone who's now 'right' (many of whom used to be centre / left but are now right due to the Overton window moving) with the far right horrible racist ex BNP folk. Some of the latter will support Reform (eg, those fb comments above), of course that is true.

However -

Most people who have moved from eg. the red wall to Reform, are not racist. They simply want their quality of life back. And no one is listening to them. They've been left behind. Labour are no longer supporting the very people they were formed for in the first place. Reform is saying all the things they want to hear - because reform are listening. The fact they will do fck all or worse - isn't the point. But the left do not care to understand this.

The Conservative party if by far the best option . Their time will come again and it won't be that far away.

I think the word you're looking for is 'sorry' @InstantlyBella

Out of context my arse. Would you write 'black people can safely be ignored' or 'women can safely be ignored'?

You're the problem other (right wing) posters are describing.

You thought people on the left were trying to be "cool"?

I don't see anything hateful about thinking racism is bad, thinking immigration isn't destroying the country, being willing to pay higher taxes for better public services, and believing in a state that looks after its most vulnerable.

As @InstantlyBella has demonstrated with their hateful post about 'white working class' people (such as me), there are some pretty crappy elements too. But that applies on both sides.

No don't just compare what I said to something horrific like ignoring black people. That is just so disingenuous and makes you look like a lunatic.

Well all know the type of people I was talking about. The kind of white working class that are obsessed with football, usually work in manual labour jobs and have copious amounts of St George's flags all over their council house. I was not talking about every person from the white working class community, there are plenty of decent hardworking folks that are a real shining beacon for humanity.

Angry at billionaires?

What is this? Sixth form common room?

Is that the extent of your thinking? Let’s be angry at billionaires .

How dare you call me 'disingenuous' and a 'lunatic' when you have literally just written that I can 'safely be ignored'.

I like football and have worked in a manual job. So keep digging.

I find your posts personally offensive. Again, you're part of the problem.