The Left have a become a snivelling self-righteous mob, busy bodying around, trying to shame others

[Northermcharn]

I read this quote and it encapsulates exactly how I feel

'I never thought I'd see the day when the Right became the cool ones giving the finger to the establishment, and the Left became the snivelling self-righteous ones going around shaming everybody'

AIBU to think this is what many people think these days? We didn't leave the left, the left left us.

*the quote is from John Lydon aka Johnny Rotten. He's deliberately provocative in lots of ways, but he meant this one. I fully expect some people to come on the thread to tell us all how he's a horror and said he likes Donald Trump. That would be them missing the point.. but.. Let Them..

And the right are not woman-hating? You clearly know nothing of Reform's policies! (Proving the adage that the right are thick)..

Reform wants to scrap the Equality act, meaning women will have no equal rights at work, no right to equal pay, no maternity protections, they have voted against increasing protections against violence for women and girls, including the right to not have their drinks spiked or photos taken without permission, they have called for a tax on childless women, less protection for women in DV cases, and I can go on and on.

They are a bunch of men who are sick in the head, and the women who support them... well I just don't understand them at all.

Now tell me, who are the hateful ones?

What is Brexit 2.0?
Who are you saying I am?

This really depends on what kind of ‘left’ you mean - I’m a centre left voter - and yes I do know a few like this but I also know tons who don’t - I’m originally from a midlands mining town but live somewhere considered quite posh now and I’m all for working class people getting on - myself included.

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I still cringe whenever I remember Tony Blair playing guitar and schmoozing with Britpop stars

John Lydon stopped being cool about 40 years ago.

That poster did no such thing - she just pointed out that she appreciates diligence, head down to the job rather than charisma or coolness - that’s just factual - I agree with her too, it’s nothing to do with self righteousness -

I work in music industry- Hess thoroughly disputable arse even as an older t guy and that’s well known . The only ok thing he did was look after his wife well when she was very ill

Reform voters have elected quite a few problematic candidates:

Glenn Gibbins, Reform candidate who said ‘Nigerians should be melted down to fill in pot holes’ wins seat (reported in the Metro news)

Derek Bullock who has said 'shoot the Pakis on the spot'

Jay Leslie Cooper Reform candidate who has called the Holocaust a "hoax" and "propaganda"

Stuart Prior, who stood for Reform in Rayleigh West celebrated the aggravated rape of a Sikh woman in the West Midlands and called it 'a good thing'.

Either Reform's vetting processes are absolutely rubbish or they don't find any of the above problematic in their Councillors which is alarming.

I think we’ve elevated identity politics and victimhood status to the extent that it’s engrained itself into everything.

https://heterodoxacademy.org/blog/victimhood-culture-at-emory/

This a really interesting look at what two psychologists call “victim hood
“ culture (as opposed to honour and dignity culture). It’s worth a read and is quite enlightening.

I think it also explains a lot of the way activism around things like Gaza is framed in the west.

He could be the worst person in the world, thats not the point, is he wrong? Thats the question.

On a personal note I have never thought of any politician as cool. I like competent, those are my favourite ones.

John Lydon has lived in America for 40 years ago and became an American citizen in 2013.

Nothing Reform or any of our politicians do has any impact on him.

I was a socialist all my life.
They started to lose me when the trans nonsense started.
It's been downhill since then.

I came to realise I believe in working hard, taking care of one another, opportunity, education, freedom, looking after the vulnerable and that this fits more now with being a conservative.

I doubt many people give a shit what some has been pop star thinks.

I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not.

Annnnnd straight to the immigration rhetoric....I should have put a bet on it.

Well, they aren't for the working class like the old days. They can say working people as much as they want but that doesn't change anything

You couldn't make it up could you? He's also the guy that called you 'pretty vacant' at the same time as telling you that you should get rid of the monarchy.

And you wonder why people think the Reform lot are thick.

Whereas Reform love women?

They want to scrap the equality act. The Equality Act makes it illegal for women to be paid less than men for equal work, meaning your right to equal pay is protected in the legislation. It also places a legal responsibility on employers to prevent sexual harassment at work and makes it illegal to fire you if you are pregnant and provides redundancy protection on maternity leave. Without Equality Act, could be refused employment simply because you are perceived to be of child-bearing age.

They want to scrap the EHCR which requires states to take effective measures against gender-based violence, prohibits discrimination based on sex, has addressed issues surrounding reproductive autonomy, including access to safe legal abortion services and reproductive healthcare, ensures workplace equality,
protects victims by ensuring that legal proceedings do not create excessive burdens of proof that discourage reporting of sexual harassment or assault.

Not to mention the ideas floated about taxing childless women more.

By getting on, do you mean equality of opportunity or equality of outcome?

If it’s the former, then that aligns fully with right leaning thinking. The left tends to believes in equality of outcome and will actively lower outcomes for everyone in the name equality. Like making everyone equally poor.

Anyone fed up of the Farage disciples winning then whinging about it? It’s like Brexit all over again. You won get over it.

That’s not really how UK politics works though. Most people on the left aren’t asking for “equal outcomes” where everyone ends up the same or equally poor. They’re saying opportunity isn’t actually equal when your background, school, family money and postcode massively affect your chances in life.

The NHS, minimum wage, workers’ rights, state education etc weren’t about dragging successful people down, they were about giving ordinary people a fair shot instead of everything being decided by wealth and connections.

That’s New Labour of newly 30 years ago, they are all legacies of Blair & Brown.

No one disagrees with healthcare, workers’ rights, state education. It’s disingenuous to make out that the right is against these things.

But there has to be a limit to the extent of these and rights need to be balanced with responsibilities.

NHS is a national health service, not an international one. The right is not racist for insisting that medical tourism should not be tolerated.

The right is not unreasonable to insisting that employment legislation that actually leads to higher unemployment is stupidity and self harm. Of course a baseline of rights is essential. What good is further legislation if it actually leads to a weaker economy and more people losing their jobs. You can’t eat workers rights or use them to keep you warm in the winter.

State education is a good thing, but why penalized private education. If anything, private education takes the burden off the state system. It is politics of envy and frankly small minded to try and penalize this stuff rather than driving the economy forward so everyone has more.

Why is the left all about small minded, bitterness? And hatred of people who no power all the free things they want.

Quite but we've had the Tories since ? You know, the ones who Reform are accepting into their ranks whilst promising change.