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What's going to happen to the north of England and Welsh voters who got royally fucked by Brexit and have now voted Reform?

211 replies

JacknDiane · 08/05/2026 22:30

Will they never fucking learn?

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POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 10/05/2026 20:31

Under investigation - apparently not suspended according to Jim Scott, Senior TV Journalist for BBC News & Look North mainly in Sunderland

"Reform UK say the new Sunderland councillor is under investigation, despite previous comments he had been suspended"

https://x.com/jimscottjourno/status/2053543131358912731

Not that his suspension would put much of a dent in Reform's position on Sunderland's Council.

If he is Suspended and sits as an Independent:

Reform - 57
Lib Dem - 12
Labour - 5
Independent - 1

Jim Scott (@jimscottjourno) on X

Reform UK say the new Sunderland councillor is under investigation, despite previous comments he had been suspended

https://x.com/jimscottjourno/status/2053543131358912731

ForWittyTealOP · 10/05/2026 21:10

Why can nobody ever tell me why I should be kind to and nice about crypto fascists and the people who actively make my life worse by voting for them? What is it they think I owe them? Would they argue I should have been pleasant about Pol Pot? Understanding of Bashar Al.Assad? What is the point of holding principles if you never express them because you're too busy being lovely to everyone?

LumenLights · 10/05/2026 21:11

IAmBeaIDrinkTea · 10/05/2026 14:33

when you can't get a GP appointment and when you finally do the waiting room is full of migrants

I'm at the doctors/hospital weekly for appointments.
I wouldn't have the first clue whether others there are migrants or not. 😕
What on earth are you basing that on, and how would you know?! Do you ask them all personally, or are you just making assumptions on anyone you see who is black or brown?!

Edited to say this was supposed to quote @CostOfLoving but I've accidentally quoted the person who was replying instead.

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I think this idea that we can’t tell who is an immigrant is incredibly disingenuous.

A lot of the discourse reminds me of the trans debate - people seem to think the same arguments from 2014 are still relevant now, when in reality the picture has changed so much.

I am friendly with some Kurds who have been in the UK since the early 2010s. They are not white and English isn’t their first language, but they don’t “stick out” at all. They behave completely normally, are quite community-minded and they have strong friendships/relationships with other Kurds in the area.

Recently they have been very loudly complaining about immigrants who’ve recently moved to the area and are operating out of neon-lit shops selling dodgy vapes and energy drinks. They are not happy that their reputation is being affected by these newcomers and they are making it clear that they are nothing to do with them.

But these new Kurds are very clearly new to the country - you can just tell by how they are and how they behave.

Similarly I have a number of black friends who were born here (and some from the Caribbean who came here in their early twenties). They are very different from the wave of immigrants who have arrived since 2021/2022. The Caribbeans are very Reform UK and GB News friendly.

It is startling how quickly the demographic of my NE hometown has changed in less than five years. Over the weekend I walked past a pile of litter that has been dumped and noticed that it was all in Arabic. Last year I saw some graffiti relaying the message that God was Black. There are people on the trains and buses who don’t understand the tickets. Loud conversations in different languages. Groups of men in the parks and on the main roads leading to the hotel that’s been used to house migrants.

You can’t tell us that there is no way to tell who has recently arrived and who has been here for years.

IAmBeaIDrinkTea · 10/05/2026 21:14

See - "loud conversations in different languages"
So?
Litter you've seen has Arabic writing on.
Again - so?
There's scruffs who litter from all nationalities.
Some of the stuff you're listing is ridiculous.

LumenLights · 10/05/2026 21:20

You haven’t actually engaged with any of my points.

5128gap · 10/05/2026 21:25

LumenLights · 10/05/2026 21:11

I think this idea that we can’t tell who is an immigrant is incredibly disingenuous.

A lot of the discourse reminds me of the trans debate - people seem to think the same arguments from 2014 are still relevant now, when in reality the picture has changed so much.

I am friendly with some Kurds who have been in the UK since the early 2010s. They are not white and English isn’t their first language, but they don’t “stick out” at all. They behave completely normally, are quite community-minded and they have strong friendships/relationships with other Kurds in the area.

Recently they have been very loudly complaining about immigrants who’ve recently moved to the area and are operating out of neon-lit shops selling dodgy vapes and energy drinks. They are not happy that their reputation is being affected by these newcomers and they are making it clear that they are nothing to do with them.

But these new Kurds are very clearly new to the country - you can just tell by how they are and how they behave.

Similarly I have a number of black friends who were born here (and some from the Caribbean who came here in their early twenties). They are very different from the wave of immigrants who have arrived since 2021/2022. The Caribbeans are very Reform UK and GB News friendly.

It is startling how quickly the demographic of my NE hometown has changed in less than five years. Over the weekend I walked past a pile of litter that has been dumped and noticed that it was all in Arabic. Last year I saw some graffiti relaying the message that God was Black. There are people on the trains and buses who don’t understand the tickets. Loud conversations in different languages. Groups of men in the parks and on the main roads leading to the hotel that’s been used to house migrants.

You can’t tell us that there is no way to tell who has recently arrived and who has been here for years.

I suppose if you're able to tell that God isn't black, you probably can tell a new arrival from a long standing member of the community tbf to you.

ForWittyTealOP · 10/05/2026 22:31

CostOfLoving · 10/05/2026 16:42

You seem completely unable to understand, despite me being very clear, that I am trying to explain why people may have a certain viewpoint, not necessarily endorsing that viewpoint myself.

Although seeing as you've asked: people speaking a different language, requiring translators, or speaking with a non UK accent give the game away.

If people feel services are overstretched and housing is in short supply, they are likely to feel annoyed at new people coming to the country and putting additional pressure on the services/housing. Sure, there may be other solutions/it's more complicated than that, but on the face of it you can see why people might feel frustrated.

Frankly I find your argumentative viewpoint odd and lacking in empathy. If I moved to a different country I would understand if the people already there weren't keen on lots of new people coming. If I required services I'd understand they might be peeved at having to pay for them, and conversely if I was a high earner I could understand people feeling my good job should have gone to a native. I'd understand if a country didn't want people arriving and refusing to learn the language, or insisting on changing things to suit my culture not the culture already there.

In fact, on reflection I'd be a good deal more understanding to the frustrations of people native to a country I moved to than I expect immigrants to be to British people!

You think people speaking another language than English means they're migrants?

Better not come to Wales then. One trip to the supermarket, the top of your head would blow off. 🤣

HeatonGrov · 11/05/2026 09:04

ForWittyTealOP · 10/05/2026 22:31

You think people speaking another language than English means they're migrants?

Better not come to Wales then. One trip to the supermarket, the top of your head would blow off. 🤣

Honestly, this is exactly the kind of deliberately disingenuous remark that drives people to vote Reform.

If you are serious about preventing Reform making greater advances, your starting point has to be to ask yourself why voters in poor Northern areas are choosing them in the first place. If you start by mocking and belittling them in this way you only entrench their views.

OfTheirOwn · 11/05/2026 09:09

POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 10/05/2026 20:31

Under investigation - apparently not suspended according to Jim Scott, Senior TV Journalist for BBC News & Look North mainly in Sunderland

"Reform UK say the new Sunderland councillor is under investigation, despite previous comments he had been suspended"

https://x.com/jimscottjourno/status/2053543131358912731

Not that his suspension would put much of a dent in Reform's position on Sunderland's Council.

If he is Suspended and sits as an Independent:

Reform - 57
Lib Dem - 12
Labour - 5
Independent - 1

OK?

Does process absolve him of his vile remarks?

Have you a view on these, or only on the process?

https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/26093261.reform-uk-fail-condemn-sunderland-councillors-racist-remark/

Reform deputy leader declines to condemn ‘melt Nigerians to fill pot holes’ remark

Reform UK has been accused of an “utterly grotesque” failure to “call out clear racism” after its deputy leader declined to explicitly…

https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/26093261.reform-uk-fail-condemn-sunderland-councillors-racist-remark/

POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 11/05/2026 14:25

I am interested in knowing the actual results.

What I have found most useful in this thread are posts that reference statistics and link to sources.

A list of vile remarks made by candidates of all political persuasions would be enlightening. I am not about to make one though, before you ask.

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