What's going to happen to the north of England and Welsh voters who got royally fucked by Brexit and have now voted Reform?

[JacknDiane]

Will they never fucking learn?

You said Reform?

It was relevant to the sentiment in the post I was replying to.

Once someone is naturalised, they're British so they would show up under the 'Brits' stats

Obviously, which is why I posted 'we don't know'.

Also, why is the current Home Secretary seeking to introduce a longer route to indefinite leave to remain and subsequent longer route citizenship? Surely this is intended to reduce the number of migrants eligible for benefits and services?

Perhaps I should say benefits and free services.

People HAVE to start accepting that:

a) multinational pay the correct tax, and;
b) the wealthy pay the correct tax, which is loads.

Tax myth number one is that we’d be a rich country apart from those tax dodgers. It SIMPLY ISNT TRUE!

If you want better public services we need to pay more. There is no magic money tree that’s going to bail you out.

Net migration has been sharply declining since 2023.

Opposition councillors refused to vote through any cuts that Reform wanted to make.

One Councillor went on BBC Hereford and Worcester radio to say that another Councillor (nameless) had said that they wouldn't agree a Reform budget whatever it was. The Councillors were written to to be told that not agreeing a budget by a certain date is a criminal offence.

The Council had to ask Government to allow Council tax to be raised by more than 5% to prevent the Council going bankrupt.

Opposition Councillors refusing to co-operate with Reform councillors on principle is subverting democracy in my opinion.

Not all of us in the North even had local elections this week! I live in a Labour stronghold that's been this way since my parents were kids, it's not going to change now. Also if there were local elections, I would have voted Labour.

As far as I'm aware they've found it a lot harder to find those things in the councils they've already been running. I suppose we should be glad that there is seemingly a lot less waste and inefficiency than Reform expected.

It is similar here too.

The problem round here with roadworks is that they are done so shoddily that they have to then be done again what seems like a few months later. A road near us was closed off for 2 days to fix a pothole. there was another pothole just beyond the first one. Why couldn't that one be fixed at the same time? They put a roundabout in that so far has had to be redone twice because it wasn't quite right. Its the absolute incompetence and nothing working that causes people to reject the same old same old that haven't done anything for years.

Yes, they are useful idiots, but the reality is your average Deform UK vote does not accept them

So your family came 50 years ago....that's great...go to Burnley, Blackburn, Telford has a Muslim population of about 1000. 100 men have been implicated in abusing under age girls...10% of the population, what did their wives, mother's, sisters think....

Explain more…

’Burnley, Blackburn, Telford has a Muslim population of about 1000’

Are you sure?

Of course they are blaming Brexit, it means they don't have to take responsibility. Given the fact that we didn't use the Dublin agreement when it was in place (because it is politically awkward to send migrants back to a fellow EU country), would we really be flying thousands of migrants a week back to Italy and Greece, even if we could?

The Med crisis might have peaked in 2015, but they have increased significantly in recent years and are approaching similar levels.

central-mediterranean-immigration-eu.jpg (1000×743)

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Meanwhile, asylum claims, mainly by the small boat route, have increase exponentially.

UK asylum claims hit highest level since 1979

They’ll be ignored and unsupported by the Gov as usual while all money goes to London area

Muslims make up 30.5% of the population of Bradford. The population of Bradford is about 500,000.

But Telford has a Muslim population of about 1000 as I said, admittedly with very bad punctuation

when you can't get a GP appointment and when you finally do the waiting room is full of migrants

I'm at the doctors/hospital weekly for appointments.
I wouldn't have the first clue whether others there are migrants or not. 😕
What on earth are you basing that on, and how would you know?! Do you ask them all personally, or are you just making assumptions on anyone you see who is black or brown?!

Edited to say this was supposed to quote @CostOfLoving but I've accidentally quoted the person who was replying instead.

Make your posts clearer then.

Telford population is about 156,896, with about 3500 Muslim.

Not defending rapists of any background but @NotAnotherScarf’s data is wrong. Shows how unchecked information is falsely spread.

100 out of 3500 is not 10% but 2.8%.

Further research using official data shows:

Key Statistics on Ethnicity and Sexual Offenders
Child Sexual Exploitation (CSE) Suspects: A 2023 analysis by the CSE Taskforce found that where ethnicity was recorded, 83% of suspects were White.
Group-Based Abusers: Data from 2024 showed that 85% of suspects in group-based sexual abuse cases were White, while 7% were Asian and 5% Black.
All Sex Offenders in Prison: Data from 2023 reported that of male sex offenders in prisons in England and Wales, 81.9% were White, 9.9% Black/Black British, and 5.6% Asian/Asian British.

I voted Reform and I knew very well I was voting in local elections. My local council were terrible, put the Council tax up 5% and the local services are dire. Lots of potholes. I think Reform will improve things. But things can't get worse

They will likely fill the potholes as will other councils, whether Reform led or not

The Labour government has provided £1.6 billion to councils to fill the potholes! https://www.gov.uk/government/news/pm-tells-councils-to-prove-action-on-pothole-plague-to-unlock-extra-cash-and-reveals-48bn-for-major-roads

You seem completely unable to understand, despite me being very clear, that I am trying to explain why people may have a certain viewpoint, not necessarily endorsing that viewpoint myself.

Although seeing as you've asked: people speaking a different language, requiring translators, or speaking with a non UK accent give the game away.

If people feel services are overstretched and housing is in short supply, they are likely to feel annoyed at new people coming to the country and putting additional pressure on the services/housing. Sure, there may be other solutions/it's more complicated than that, but on the face of it you can see why people might feel frustrated.

Frankly I find your argumentative viewpoint odd and lacking in empathy. If I moved to a different country I would understand if the people already there weren't keen on lots of new people coming. If I required services I'd understand they might be peeved at having to pay for them, and conversely if I was a high earner I could understand people feeling my good job should have gone to a native. I'd understand if a country didn't want people arriving and refusing to learn the language, or insisting on changing things to suit my culture not the culture already there.

In fact, on reflection I'd be a good deal more understanding to the frustrations of people native to a country I moved to than I expect immigrants to be to British people!

I live in a Labour stronghold that's been this way since my parents were kids, it's not going to change now.

Don't be so sure about that. I live in a Ward that has always voted Labour and was out campaigning for Party of Women. The only pushback we got was when residents mistook our pink rosettes 🌸 for Labour red rosettes 🌹.

The Green Party threw everything they had got at the Ward:

• at least five glossy leaflets and magazines through the door
• at least two visits from GP campaigners knocking on doors

Reform did the minimum necessary in terms of money and effort:

• one A5 leaflet in the post, hand addressed
• minimum door knocking

I met the husband of one of the Reform candidates at the count and he said they had addressed all of their single postal mailing by hand. The GP had their postal mailings automated - not hand addressed and envelopes stuffed by hand.

Which makes me wonder why Reform HQ was so mean and did not help them out with more dosh for campaigning.

The GP door knockers also introduced themselves as being from neighbouring middle class wards. I had great pleasure in telling them that I would be voting for me. They literally staggered back and nearly fell over backwards gurgling incoherently 😂

So with all that great effort (Greens) vs minimal effort (Reform) in a rock solid Labour ward the three councillors elected were:

Green Party - 1,068 (42.8%)
Reform UK - 1,052 (42.2%)
Reform UK - 1,036 (41.5%)

(I got 3% of votes cast which I am more than happy with. We only managed to leaflet 28% of properties. Assuming that is where my votes came from, I got 10% of voters canvassed. I also beat three Lib Dems and a Tory.)

This sort of result happened all over the North East in "safe" Labour Wards.