What's going to happen to the north of England and Welsh voters who got royally fucked by Brexit and have now voted Reform?

[JacknDiane]

Will they never fucking learn?

Reform has a fair few non white councillors and members. Remember the so called ‘far right’ Tory cabinet who are held responsible for ruining the country were also very very diverse.

Behave thisen. They don't represent everyone in the North.

Where did the OP say anything about what type of elections were happening in Wales?

This. ^

Extremely patronising thread @JacknDiane I'm embarrassed for you. 😬

I saw some interviews with Reform voters on the news today and I honestly think they didn't have a fucking clue these were local elections and what that meant.

They have shit lives and feel that nobody listens to them or cares about them. They voted Reform to acknowledge how pissed off they are. You seem to have got the message. They’ll be pleased.

Have they delivered improved services while massively reducing your council tax bill, though? Because that’s what they promised you at the last local elections.

Hmmmm, they never interview any of the millions of Reform voters who are intelligent and well educated that. Funny that. 🙄Wouldn't do for them to show the public that many Reform voters are bright and educated. Suits their agenda much more to portray them as a bit dim.

Wouldn't surprise me if the people they interview who appear dim and wet are actors.

I didn't vote Reform by the way, so I have no skin in the game, I am just pissed off with champagne socialists and the privileged berating and mocking Reform voters, and calling them all thick, racist, badly-educated, gammon.

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Woah, my thoughts exactly. Hello fellow 👋

Here's how it maps out geographically in England. (Just for info re: the north-south thing).
They seem to have got a lot of votes in my region (no vote for me yesterday though).
Personally I think it's a bit like buying a sodding bull terrier - it's gonna bite you on the arse, so serves those voters right for displaying their fckng ignorance for all to see.

What do you mean by what's going to "happen" to them?

People tend to vote for change.
With Brexit, the referendum didn't have to happen. Blame those who gave us the referendum.

No, but it sends a message
quite a clear one it seems, in some areas

You think Reform gives a shit about them?

They would be hard pressed to find any of them.

Why are you people all so obsessed with immigration? I’m sick of hearing about it. Getting rid of immigrants won’t magically make things better you know.

But we want are cuntry back.

😂😂😂

If the shoe fits....

To be fair OP said "What's going to happen to the north of England and Welsh voters who got royally fucked by Brexit and have now voted Reform?"

Wales didn't "vote Reform". Reform won a lot of seats but the largest party is Plaid Cymru. Thankfully.

I this this illustrates the level of critical thinking that your average Reform voter engages in.

I’m Irish so no skin in the game really. But I watch with interest as reform like parties start to gain traction here. It seems like a significant section of society feel like they have been shafted and they are voting for a party that wants to blow up the status quo.

Treating those voters as stupid is to our detriment. The system isn’t working for people. I don’t think that Reform is the answer but more centrist parties need to learn from their tactics.

I'm absolutely not a Reform voter (not that we had elections in my area yesterday anyway); but let's not pretend that it's only Reform voters who confuse the local elections with the general elections.

The 'traditional' parties' local branches are very happy to get the votes in based on the colour of the rosette they display, when their party is flying high nationally; but then, when their party nationally is mud, they bitterly complain and insist that they have very little to do with the government/shadow government and how horribly unfair it is to punish them for their poor record, and tar them with the same brush.

Let's be honest: how many voters in local elections do their homework and vote for the individual whom they think is the most competent, trustworthy and able; and how many reckon "Well, I'm a Labour/Tory voter in the general election, so I'll vote locally for whomever has that same party next to his or her name"? OR deliberately do the opposite if they want to signal their extreme displeasure to the central party? Vast numbers of them couldn't even tell you the name of the candidate for whom they just voted - they'll only know that "I voted Labour/Conservative/Lib Dem/Reform" or whoever.

It's the same with organisations like the National Trust, the Co-op, Which? Magazine, the caravan Club and countless others... members all have the right to vote for their preferred candidates for leading the organisation at regular intervals, but how many actually ever bother to do so? Ali G once made one of his trademark ignorant comments about just voting for the one with the funniest name; but I don't actually think he was too far off the mark in reality, for all the difference it makes.

I didn't vote for Reform, but when you're struggling to pay for overpriced shitty housing perhaps owned by a foreign landlord, when there is fierce competition for housing and jobs locally, when you can't get a GP appointment and when you finally do the waiting room is full of migrants, when all the fancy cars in the area are driven by migrants, when all the good-hearted left-wing types choose to volunteer with various asylum seeker projects over any other local concerns, when certain groups of migrants are causing all sorts of issues (loud music, rubbish, and fighting in the street)... then you might just get a bit desperate and sick of migration, and wonder just how your area would look if it hadn't been allowed to happen.

(This is describing my specific local area, not a fictional example.)

The election results by ward are illuminating here. It's the higher immigration places voting Reform - the people actually clearly directly affected by it daily. (With the exception of the ward with the most immigration, including historially, that is now Green due to sheer number of former migrants and second generation migrants voting, combined with the heavy campaigning by Greens as pro-Palestine/pro-Muslim.)

Well, no. There is no "first safe country", Brexit or not. The Dublin Treaty basically classed the EU as one destination so each individual member had the legal right to return asylum seekers to the EU country they had passed through. It can be quite difficult for some, but was especially important for us as an island with pretty much all of our traffic coming via France as there was a duty to prevent crossings, which ended with Brexit.