What's going to happen to the north of England and Welsh voters who got royally fucked by Brexit and have now voted Reform?

[JacknDiane]

Will they never fucking learn?

Reform actually stopped labour from putting up council tax to the maximum in my area.

Oh wow, I didn't know they'd picked up Havering, Essex, Thurrock, Walsall, Suffolk and Sandwell, and moved them all up north.

Or perhaps it isn't a case of northerners being stupid/ignorant? Maybe it's fairly widespread disdain for the system as it is? I'm absolutely not a Reform voter and think their policies are, on the whole, repugnant. But I think it's essential to understand why so many people have aligned themselves with Reform, rather than assuming it's all about brown people or that they're just too stupid to understand. Because if we don't do that, the same people will align themselves with Reform when we have the next general election, which would put us all in real trouble.

The impact of Brexit is likely to have been minimal – the decline in returns predates it, and, in practice, few people were returned under the Dublin Agreement (an average of 560 a year between 2008 and 2020).

A lot of people who voted Brexit did so because they wanted less immigration. They got significantly more immigration. They aren’t being inconsistent in voting again for what they have consistently wanted.

As for the argument that they are thickos: I) how many people predicted the direction of immigration post-Brexit with the correct reasons. I doubt one in twenty voters of any party would have. Did you? II) but the council doesn’t control migration. No, but it’s not thick to think these locals shape national politics, because they do. And councils make relevant policy too.

(Not a reformer myself but hate this sneering)

A lot of the voters probably just didn't want Labour

You know all those voters that vote to get Reform out, well there are a great many of us that vote to get Labour out. Who were they meant to vote for instead of Labour, certainly not Green.

The surgeon who performed life saving heart surgery on DH last year was an immigrant. In fact 75% of the cardiac surgeons in the only hospital in our county that performs heart surgery are either immigrants or the offspring of immigrants.

I am also the daughter of an immigrant.

I don't understand the logic. I am a migrant. I go to the doctors, of course I do. I pay taxes just the same as you. I drive what may be considered a fancy car because I have a job which allows me to buy it. It's not been given to me by the council (like some reform voters suggested to me) the minute I stepped onto British soil.
I've also been working in your NHS for the last five years and I am one of only two people working full time in a team of nearly 20 all white British staff. Should I just "go back to my own country"? What improvements might you see in your local area if I do?

The UK is stuck in a Buridan’s Ass paradox.

True. In any case, a lot of people here voted Plaid Cymru in order to keep Reform from winning.

Do You harbour the same level of disdain at the party who turned the town into a shithole? You clearly seem to want the town to stay a shithole, as long as it keeps Reform out.

Just shows how mad leftist ideology is. Hate your opponent, even if it means you have to chop your own limbs off.

I think you need to educate yourself .
Large parts of the North did not even get a vote yesterday so we were no part of it .
I live in Cumbria and we were not voting .

You are being totally disingenuous. Please quit wit the faux ignorance.

Do you think people object to mass immigration of people who come and earn high salaries and pay more than they take from the system?

More faux ignorance. 75% of immigrants are not surgeons, though? Are they.

Probably because they believe the anti immigration news in the papers. Much easier to pretend that we are being taken over by brown people than to give genuine facts.

You know Reform are the elite and most are the same people as were in power for years.

If a non white person steps out of their lane and has the audacity to want lower immigration, watch them get totally skinned by the ‘kind’ left. All of a sudden the left has no issue with being racist.

I hate crap like this. Thick northerners voting Reform. Suffolk and Essex have equally voted Reform. Where is your concern for them?

I’m in Lancashire and did not vote for either Brexit or Reform.
But thanks for thinking that ALL of us northerners are thick as mince.

Theyll get what they voted for and complain that they didn't understand that voting for face eating leopards would mean leopards would eat their faces.

Though I will say that although there will be a lot of anti-English policies now Plaid Cymru have won in Wales.
Penalties on second homes etc.

They do despise the English. It's in the DNA of the party. They'll deny it of course.

It's hard for English people to grasp this as it's not a two-way street.

What can you do, though. Sometimes you've got to vote to keep out the lesser of two evils.

How are penalties on second homes anti-English? If by penalties you mean extra council tax, councils in Wales already have the power to do that.

There are lots of English people living in Wales. Some will have voted for Plaid.

I’m giving you their reasoning, not justification.

Exactly. Reform do well in areas where large gangs of foreign men gather to leer at girls. Reform voters aren’t voting Reform because they object to so many highly trained heart surgeons coming over.

I didn't come here as a high salary earner. I am still not one - I work for the NHS, as I mentioned. But the for the first 10 years in the UK I worked a minimum salary job and then studied to improve my earnings potential. But I always worked and I paid for shit housing for many years and made sacrifices to be able to afford a better life. Please tell me why people in economically deprived areas are not able to do the same? What stops them from moving into a shitty shared housing in a city with better job prospects working 60+ hours a week and investing in their education? Is it immigration?
Yes. I am aware that jobs are hard to come by today but this has not been the case until recently. There is a high proportion of migrants doing low paid work and yet British nationals are responsible for 85% of universal credit bill. Why is that? I don't think it's because we've "taken your jobs". I personally never went to an employer to beg them for a lower salary on account of my non-Britishness.
This anti-immigrant rhetoric has been going on for decades and I am very glad you have time in your life to fume about it. I don't. I have to go to my second job in a minute.