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1dayatatime · 30/04/2026 17:49

Anyahyacinth · 30/04/2026 17:42

His MH issues may influence his status and the status of this crime. An investigation still needs to happen.

Just out of interest how do you drop a knife if you are bodily on top of it?

How the hell were the police to know if he had anxiety issues etc whilst trying to get him to drop the knife? And anyway what difference does it make to the objective of getting him to drop the knife.

In answer to your question how can he drop the knife whilst face down and holding it with your hand tucked under your body. Well you slowly take your hand out from under your body and then drop the knife.

It really really is not that difficult to understand.

JHound · 30/04/2026 17:49

Winter2020 · 30/04/2026 17:48

The police force is America are trigger happy because the criminals are trigger happy. Wouldn't you be a bit twitchy stopping someone in America where so many people carry guns. Everything is heightened in that situation.

Nonsense. They have shot people running away and unarmed people. No justification for that

nomas · 30/04/2026 17:51

olivepicanto · 30/04/2026 17:41

Someone already explained that the brain will instinctively raise the hands to protect the head.

But he didn't raise his hands.

Forthesteps · 30/04/2026 17:52

coulditbeme2323 · 30/04/2026 17:48

Bye then.

QED

nomas · 30/04/2026 17:52

JHound · 30/04/2026 17:49

What is a culture of murder? Where is this?

He won't say.

coulditbeme2323 · 30/04/2026 17:53

nomas · 30/04/2026 17:52

He won't say.

She*

Do you know what from the river to the sea actually means?

Because youngsters were conned into saying it every weekend at protests.

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Anyahyacinth · 30/04/2026 17:53

PropertyD · 30/04/2026 16:48

I hope the Greens have a massive spotlight put on them over this. Their leader claims to be Jewish but I suspect doesnt practise or maybe he could be lying to ensure that he can bash the Jewish community whilst potentially being one of them.

Isn't it antisemitic to deny a Jewish person their own views?

Noodledog · 30/04/2026 17:54

nomas · 30/04/2026 17:31

Or another mentally ill BAME man failed by the system. He was known to the authorities.

So you see the terrorist as the victim? It's a strange, strange world some people live in.

nomas · 30/04/2026 17:54

coulditbeme2323 · 30/04/2026 17:53

She*

Do you know what from the river to the sea actually means?

Because youngsters were conned into saying it every weekend at protests.

Was netanyahu conned into saying it too?

KatiePricesKnickers · 30/04/2026 17:54

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Anyahyacinth · 30/04/2026 17:55

1dayatatime · 30/04/2026 17:49

How the hell were the police to know if he had anxiety issues etc whilst trying to get him to drop the knife? And anyway what difference does it make to the objective of getting him to drop the knife.

In answer to your question how can he drop the knife whilst face down and holding it with your hand tucked under your body. Well you slowly take your hand out from under your body and then drop the knife.

It really really is not that difficult to understand.

Yes...especially in heightened situation.

Reminds me of someone being hung for saying "let him have it"

JHound · 30/04/2026 17:55

coulditbeme2323 · 30/04/2026 17:53

She*

Do you know what from the river to the sea actually means?

Because youngsters were conned into saying it every weekend at protests.

Are you conflating Israel with being Jewish? Or protesting Israel with being anti-semitic?

But to ask again what is a “culture of murder”?

Winter2020 · 30/04/2026 17:55

tilyougetenough · 30/04/2026 17:29

I think you’re unable to have more than a surface level conversation about this.

The issue isn’t that the police stopped a terrorist. The issue is that they used excessive force once he was stopped.

If we live in a country where police are being encouraged to use potentially lethal levels of force (kicking someone in the head can quite easily kill them), and it’s normalised and celebrated, we will have a society where that level of force is normalised within the police force. If you get called evil, an anti semite, a “terrorist sympathiser” for pointing out that perhaps some of their actions were not the best, it plays into the hands of those officers who do want to use their position and abuse it.

We have seen multiple times that there are plenty of bad eggs in the police force (and I am not saying that these officers are “bad eggs”, before someone says that I am). If we normalise this, where does it end? A police officer pulling you out of your car and kicking you in the head because they can’t see your hands at a traffic stop? Police officers using their positions to abuse women, as has happened before?

This is a debate with layers to it but some people seem entirely unable to have that conversation.

If the force the police used proved to be fatal then so be it. Fuck around and find out.

If you don't want to get kicked in the head by a policeman don't stab people and then refuse to give up your weapon. Simple. I believe that if it was my child, I believe that if they were mentally ill. If someone is stabbing people their threat needs to be made safe even if that results in their death.

Unfortunately as seems to be coming out about this person you can kill people, few years in prison then out to do it again so the public are undoubtedly safer if he was dead.

nomas · 30/04/2026 17:56

Noodledog · 30/04/2026 17:54

So you see the terrorist as the victim? It's a strange, strange world some people live in.

It's not that binary. It's possible to feel sad for the two poor men stabbed and also be wondering at the state of mental health care for black men.

coulditbeme2323 · 30/04/2026 17:56

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CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 30/04/2026 17:56

tilyougetenough · 30/04/2026 17:31

And what did kicking him in the head achieve? Other than a potential fatality, which would then prevent the victims and their families getting justice?

Again, I think some people are genuinely unable to have a nuanced conversation about this because they just can’t comprehend what is being said.

It’s called a ‘loosener’ apparently- it’s an effective means of distracting someone to help disarm them. Which is what the police were trying to do.

Again, I think some people are genuinely unable to have a nuanced conversation about this because they just can’t comprehend what is being said.

I’m afraid it is you who are apparently unable to comprehend the situation or take an objective view.

ByKindNavySwan · 30/04/2026 17:56

This is the same OP who said yesterday that some lives were worth more than others.

coulditbeme2323 · 30/04/2026 17:56

nomas · 30/04/2026 17:56

It's not that binary. It's possible to feel sad for the two poor men stabbed and also be wondering at the state of mental health care for black men.

😂

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Hoardasurass · 30/04/2026 17:57

tilyougetenough · 30/04/2026 17:19

And my answer is I wouldn’t have kicked him in the head.

Yes but you were asked what would you HAVE done not what you wouldn't have done.
So if you can answer the question you were asked instead of the 1 you want to as I and other posters are interested in hearing your marvellous new tactics and how they'd work

nomas · 30/04/2026 17:57

ByKindNavySwan · 30/04/2026 17:56

This is the same OP who said yesterday that some lives were worth more than others.

Unsurprising.

coulditbeme2323 · 30/04/2026 17:57

ByKindNavySwan · 30/04/2026 17:56

This is the same OP who said yesterday that some lives were worth more than others.

They are, and I gave a perfect example.

Holly and Jessica's lives were worth more than Ian Huntleys.

Absurd to think otherwise.

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KatiePricesKnickers · 30/04/2026 17:57

Forthesteps · 30/04/2026 17:45

They mean brown people/Muslims, but they're not racists🤔

Edited

I think they mean the Islamists

Allisnotlost1 · 30/04/2026 17:57

coulditbeme2323 · 30/04/2026 17:21

But nobody cares.

Some people do care about the huge cost of a failing public service that ultimately contributes to making society less safe.

You don’t have to care though.

Winter2020 · 30/04/2026 17:57

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