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NoisyHiker · 01/05/2026 14:51

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How thick can people be?

I can't count how many times this misinformation has been corrected on this thread alone, and yet the ignorance keeps spewing forth.

Will single syllables work? Let's sound it out.

Police. Were. Following. Their. Training.

Suspect. Still. Armed. Police. Not. Armed.

Taser. Not. Effective.

Hands. Under. Body. Holding. Knife.

Public. Still. At. Active. Risk.

Did that work? What magic combination of letters will help the information enter your brain.

Do you need a diagram? You could just use your eyes but that seems to be too much of a struggle for some.

nomas · 01/05/2026 14:52

Whysnothingsimple · 01/05/2026 14:49

But I’ve just given you the same answer, glad it finally clicks❤️

Actually the question was 'That’s not what he’s saying though. He’s having a go at people who support Palestinians by saying ‘they hate you all’.
Or are you saying all Palestinians are anti-Semites?' And you never answered it.

nomas · 01/05/2026 14:54

NoisyGreyPoster · 01/05/2026 14:51

Why do you do this on every single thread on antisemitism? Why is no one allowed to talk about antisemitism on mumsnet without you derailing and deflecting?

I think when an OP calls an entire religion 'a culture of hatred' she needs to be called out for it.

It's possible to discuss anti-Semitism without being Islamophobic. Both are hateful idealogies. One does not cancel out the other.

Aislyn · 01/05/2026 14:55

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inamarina · 01/05/2026 14:56

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That’s some mental gymnastics right there.

NoisyHiker · 01/05/2026 14:57

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Ah, I see. That explains it.

Willful ignorance is often a tactic used by extremists.

Hoardasurass · 01/05/2026 14:58

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Will you please stop lieing.
Kicking terrorist in the head under Wednesdays circumstances is part of police training.
As for the rest of your post if a Muslim is friends with someone who they know is about to commit a terrorist attack yes they should try and stop it just like a Christian, jew, atheist or anyone of any religion
Your constant lies and twisting of the facts show exactly what your motivation and priorities are

NoisyGreyPoster · 01/05/2026 14:58

nomas · 01/05/2026 14:54

I think when an OP calls an entire religion 'a culture of hatred' she needs to be called out for it.

It's possible to discuss anti-Semitism without being Islamophobic. Both are hateful idealogies. One does not cancel out the other.

But it’s not possible to discuss antisemitism without you trying to discuss something else entirely.

Whysnothingsimple · 01/05/2026 14:58

Everlore · 01/05/2026 14:47

I hope you will forgive me for sharing a couple of posts I submitted to another thread on this subject, but I feel they are relevant to this discussion too and I am too lazy to make the same point in different words. Firstly is my response to those claiming that the Greens can't be anti-semitic since they have a Jewish leader.
The issue is that people like Polanski think they can protect themselves from anti-semitism by cosying up to the anti-semites and trying to prove to them that they are a 'good Jew', which, for the purposes of some elements of the Green Party and their ilk means not speaking out against blatant anti-semitism, just nodding and smiling politely when your 'mates' insist that Jews are responsible for all the world's ills and agreeing that all this 'so-called anti-semitism' is just 'legitimate criticism of Israel' and that Jews expressing fear for their safety are making a fuss over nothing. As we all know, making comments to British Jews about bringing back gas chambers and what a great man Hitler was are definitely 'legitimate criticism of Israel' and not absolutely vile pure racism.
When people like Polanski pal up with the anti-semites to prove they are not one of those 'evil genocidal Jews', they think they are making themselves safer. However, these self-hating Jews and apologists for anti-semitism should always remember that their new mates still hate them, because they are, in fact, rampant anti-semites. These racists are only tolerating Polanski as a useful idiot so they can say:
"See, I know that are party is rife with people making awful comments online that reek of Jew-hatred but we're not anti-semitic, honest. How could we be when we have an actual real-life Jew for a leader?"
Polanski, when you've done throwing your fellow Jews under the bus to placate your fellow party members, please don't forget to many of them you will always be a 'filthy Jew', no matter how useful a smoke-screen for their bigotry you are currently providing.
Polanski is by no means the first and will, sadly, not be the last, to think that sucking up to the bullies who want to harm them will protect them in some way.
Polanski may wish to heed the cautionary tale of the French Jewish novelist Irène Némirovsky who thought by writing anti-semitic articles for far-right publications and distancing herself from her Jewish roots she could placate the nazis who wanted her dead. She sadly discovered she was quite wrong when she was murdered at Auschwitz in 1942. It turns out the Nazis still hated her because of her race and still very much wanted her dead when she had outlived her usefulness.

Thank you for your very thoughtful, and may I say, erudite post. People seem to forget that Hitler/the Nazi party had their Jewish supporters. Or maybe go back to the 15th century and the Jews who supported Ferdinand and Isabella before the explusion of Jews from Spain in 1492, maybe esp look at the treatment of the Conversos to see how all encompassing the hated was whilst you’re there.

So all this, he can’t support anti semites because he is a Jew is a load of rubbish. we’ve seen it happen time and time again, whenever there is antisemitism there are Jewish people who for various reasons support the oppressor People really do need to look more carefully into the past of anti semitism to understand its present and to understand the nuances of it.

nomas · 01/05/2026 15:00

NoisyGreyPoster · 01/05/2026 14:58

But it’s not possible to discuss antisemitism without you trying to discuss something else entirely.

If people are seeking a space to be Islamophobic and not be challenged, that should be called out. To describe an entire religion and its people as a 'culture of hatred' is unacceptable.

Whysnothingsimple · 01/05/2026 15:01

nomas · 01/05/2026 14:52

Actually the question was 'That’s not what he’s saying though. He’s having a go at people who support Palestinians by saying ‘they hate you all’.
Or are you saying all Palestinians are anti-Semites?' And you never answered it.

No I did answer, but it wasn’t an answer you liked. I’m looking forward to the follow on thread to this one to keep the conversation going though as quite a lot of space has been taken up with time wasting nonsense

NoisyGreyPoster · 01/05/2026 15:01

nomas · 01/05/2026 15:00

If people are seeking a space to be Islamophobic and not be challenged, that should be called out. To describe an entire religion and its people as a 'culture of hatred' is unacceptable.

You’ve called her out, well done. Any chance of getting back to the topic of antisemitism in the Green Party?

ThatCyanCat · 01/05/2026 15:02

Harriet, if you don't act fast, nomas will fill the thread with dead cats and then we will never know what extremely important point you had to make. I'm sure neither you nor nomas would want you to be silenced like that so please do tell us now.

nomas · 01/05/2026 15:02

Whysnothingsimple · 01/05/2026 15:01

No I did answer, but it wasn’t an answer you liked. I’m looking forward to the follow on thread to this one to keep the conversation going though as quite a lot of space has been taken up with time wasting nonsense

What was your answer? You didn't answer, you deflected with insults.

NoisyGreyPoster · 01/05/2026 15:02

Whysnothingsimple · 01/05/2026 15:01

No I did answer, but it wasn’t an answer you liked. I’m looking forward to the follow on thread to this one to keep the conversation going though as quite a lot of space has been taken up with time wasting nonsense

Oh, don’t worry, Nomas will be right on that one too.

DrinkPupKitDrink · 01/05/2026 15:03

NoisyHiker · 01/05/2026 14:51

How thick can people be?

I can't count how many times this misinformation has been corrected on this thread alone, and yet the ignorance keeps spewing forth.

Will single syllables work? Let's sound it out.

Police. Were. Following. Their. Training.

Suspect. Still. Armed. Police. Not. Armed.

Taser. Not. Effective.

Hands. Under. Body. Holding. Knife.

Public. Still. At. Active. Risk.

Did that work? What magic combination of letters will help the information enter your brain.

Do you need a diagram? You could just use your eyes but that seems to be too much of a struggle for some.

It doesn't matter, they don't care. They just love to express their anti semitic bigotry, it's like an itch they must scratch, an obsession. ZP played straight into this hateful chatter. It's despicable and the opposite of what society needs now. Green and Reform use the exact same kind of dishonest and inhumane strategies. The Green Party is completely un-voteable now.

Everlore · 01/05/2026 15:04

This is the other post I wished to share in response to the tedious posters who proliferate on threads like this bleating about how 'anti-Zionism is not anti-semitism', even if tragic cases like this where British Jews have been attacked on the streets of London, some unpleasant people are still trying to minimise the awful events with this kind of justification. Firstly, this argument appears extremely spurious given that many of the statements it has been used to defend could not be read as 'legitimate criticism of Israel' by anyone but a virulent anti-semite or one of their apologists. People of this ilk tend to chant the 'legitimate criticism of Israel' mantra and use it as a 'get out of jail free card', even if the comment in question is something unequivocally anti-semitic like calls to bring back gas chambers or praise of Hitler or, indeed, an attempt to justify or minimise the recent appalling attempted murders of two Jewish men.
My other response to the "I'm anti-Zionist not anti-semitic" crowd is laid out below.
Zionism, put simply, is the belief that Jewish people have the right to self-determination, the right to a homeland in Israel. While not all Jews may consider themselves Zionist you will find that the vast majority do. This is not some fringe belief, it is widespread amongst Jewish communities worldwide.
I know that people who wish to have their anti-Zionist but not anti-semitic cake and eat it find this fact a bit uncomfortable and inconvenient as it makes it harder for them to pretend that they don't have a problem with most Jews, it's just those evil Zionist ones they despise because, if you have a problem with most Zionists and most Jews are Zionists then you, by default, have a problem with most Jews. It's why so many 'anti-Zionists' are so obsessed with the Neturei Karta, a tiny Jewish sect vehemently opposed to the state of Israel, because they get to post photos of obviously, visibly orthodox Jews protesting against the existence of the state of Israel and say:
"See, these Jews are on our side, how can we be anti-semitic?"
Attempting to pretend that, instead of being a tiny group, they actually represent the majority opinions and beliefs of Jews globally. In many ways, Polanski is very much the Green party's answer to the Neturei Karta!

Whysnothingsimple · 01/05/2026 15:05

NoisyGreyPoster · 01/05/2026 15:02

Oh, don’t worry, Nomas will be right on that one too.

Well I’ll be interested to see what posts get deleted there too

Whysnothingsimple · 01/05/2026 15:05

nomas · 01/05/2026 15:02

What was your answer? You didn't answer, you deflected with insults.

Can you show me where I did that?

Whysnothingsimple · 01/05/2026 15:07

nomas · 01/05/2026 15:00

If people are seeking a space to be Islamophobic and not be challenged, that should be called out. To describe an entire religion and its people as a 'culture of hatred' is unacceptable.

Can you show where they said that, I can’t see that in any of their posts?

nomas · 01/05/2026 15:08

The day that people accept that Islam is a free for all for hatred is a day we collectively lose our humanity again.

I'm out, enjoy your pile on.

DrinkPupKitDrink · 01/05/2026 15:09

DrinkPupKitDrink · 01/05/2026 15:07

Steve Cooke - a Labour activist - was one of the first to criticise the posts online.
He described the posts as "classic antisemitic abuse" and said Ion was "hiding behind the Z-word".

He called on the Green Party to stop backing her as a candidate in the 7 May elections.

NoisyGreyPoster · 01/05/2026 15:12

nomas · 01/05/2026 15:08

The day that people accept that Islam is a free for all for hatred is a day we collectively lose our humanity again.

I'm out, enjoy your pile on.

Bye Bye Goodbye GIF

Next time you want to talk about how Islamophobia is sooooooooo much worse than antisemitism maybe try starting your own thread.

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