Don't like Farage but..

[TheBlueKoala]

I do agree with him that foreign nationals shouldn't be able to claim benefits and to scrap PIP for mild mental health issues. And that the money saved should go into mental health care so that everyone with mild mental health problems can access NHS care rapidly.

My friend's dad was a "foreign national" he lived here all his adult life, worked in the NHS as a cardiac surgeon until his 70s, also worked with the army as a field doctor in his younger days.

He spent his entire adut life in public servics to the UK and paid a lot of tax.

Should he not have been entitled to benefits if he needed them?

Mr Monkey's parents were "foreign nationals" worked hard, paid taxes, brought up a family, all of whom are now upstanding tax paying British citizens.

How do you think therapy is going to help somwone who is floriidly psychotic
Or somone who is manic?

The NHS is barely functioning, so far I’ve been waiting six months for a really important appointment, but it’s going to take a really forensic style intervention to try and unpick it and Reform are absolutely not the people for that job.

PIP is not means tested as it’s actually there to assist with unavoidable extra costs due to your condition. Eg/ having to do bedding more often/buy specific products/get help with everyday tasks.

Bit harsh to say you earn more than them so sort your own extra costs due to- PIP can literally support people to get into work, stay in work, function in society.

The mobility part, that people dislike, is limited to ages it would expect you to be freely mobile for instance - can’t recall specific ages but I think over 5 and under 65 - as otherwise you may need that additional support/costs anyway, regardless of your condition.

Now that Shabama Mahmood is fixing (hopefully) the boat crossings -she should be the next PM btw - we have less need for Nigel so I think they’ll do less well. I’m worried about the Greens now veering off on transgender and be kind bollox instead if fixing the country.

What they will want to do (very unlikely that such a ragtag bunch will actually achieve much) is end national pay scales in the NHS which will mean health care workers will not be able to move areas and healthcare outside big cities will deteriorate fast.

This is the problem when you use a non specific category such as British citizen. Of course your friend’s dad should not be denied access to benefits if he had needed them.

Reform needs to sharpen up this policy because there clearly is an issue with the amount we’re paying out in benefits but I don’t believe this is how you solve it.

Exactly. Well said.

Not to mention the wait time to actually see a therapist. My DD has waited over a year for CAMHS support. I wonder what that poster proposes people do whilst waiting?

Farage’s fantasies for the people on the NHS remind me a lot of his sunlit uplands fantasies of Brexit.

Fool me once as they say.

Rest assured all those cokeheads and drug dealers won’t be “lefty types”, so the at least to your knowledge money is going exactly to the same type your people your good mate is.

The man is a serial liar, whose only interest in cutting benefits is to line the pockets of his rich mates via tax cuts and dodgy government contracts. He doesn't give a flying fuck about mental health or white Brits on benefits. He'll take the benefits and impoverish a lot of the clowns who will vote for him, and privatise the NHS while he's at it. If you're struggling and thinking about voting for Reform, your life will get a whole lot worse if you do.

Op what is your visa status? Unless you have indefinite leave to remain / citizenship and your main home is the uk, you can’t claim benefits. My friend is a single mum to 2 kids (born in the uk) who had to leave a DV relationship. She works full time in the NHS and also receives some universal credit to top up her rent. She has dual British/ polish citizenship and has lived here for 25 years. Is she one of the people that farage would like to remove recourse to public funds from?

as others have said, the bar for PIP is very high.

the question we all need to ask is - why is farage scapegoating ‘foreigners’ and ‘disabled people’?

also - is there a way we can get what we want (I want the same as you, broadly) without scapegoating anyone, but working together instead?

agreed! "milk of human kindness" Farage is a ghastly unkind bigot and of course will kick people when they're down to make himself look good. The savings from scrapping mild mental health issues will be swallowed up by determining what mild is, applying it wrongly and then defending the nebulous definition and decisions.

lets remember Farage is not in power so he can say any old shit and not have to deliver on it,

And which political party hasn’t done exactly this every time they got in power? Also do you hate his policies or are annoyed because you don’t believe he will implement them?
I’ve posted before on Reform and will vote for them. I don’t agree with all their policies but believe they will do less harm to me and my family than all other viable parties particularly the current version of the Labour Party.

We don’t give pip for any mild conditions. Everyone who lives here should be able to claim benefits they are a safety net.

Farage also wanted out of Europe so we could save 300 million pounds which could then go to the NHS - and how did that work out?

Don't believe a word that lying little snake says because he'll tell you just what you want to hear.

I agree with Farage on this, our benefits system is broken and we need to be tougher.

Thats cool if your standard of living for your fellow humans is that “scrape a living” is enough, but some think we should all aim for better than that.

By that logic, why stop there? Maybe no descendants should be entitled to anything ever either.

Healthcare across many sectors has always been in private hands, GPs, Dentists, more recently community healthcare.... its nothing new, whether it gives vfm is another matter

Rolling back privatisation is massively expensive, some contracts are decades long.

However, Farage wants an insurance style system, so we will pay our taxes but then have an additional insurance premium, business will also have to stump up, doubtless passing on costs too.

Then there is all the additional admin across multiple suppliers of these services, who will recruit from the NHS.

None of the above gets us a single Dr or Nurse or buys a new scanner etc etc unless the premiums are very significant, in France premiums can be over 200euros per month, on top of taxes they pay.

This is typical Farage lies. You can't claim PIP for mild mental health issues now. Foreign nationals can only claim benefits if they have a right to reside and indefinite leave to remain, generally speaking if they are recognised refugees. Given that these are people who have lost everything fleeing from persecution, I for one don't begrudge them some help.

Another Farage thread at the crack of dawn. Almost feels orchestrated.

The NHS actually has relatively few managers, much less than the private sector.

My DH is a 'foreign national' who has paid taxes for 10 years. Has a British wife and child. He's never needed benefits but are you saying he shouldn't ever be allowed to claim anything???

I detest Reform voters and sympathisers for what they're doing to this country. Wanting to punish anyone 'foreign' even though lots of them have British families. Fed up of the ignorance and hate