Don't like Farage but..

[TheBlueKoala]

I do agree with him that foreign nationals shouldn't be able to claim benefits and to scrap PIP for mild mental health issues. And that the money saved should go into mental health care so that everyone with mild mental health problems can access NHS care rapidly.

He was in no position of power in the UK before or after Brexit and cannot be held responsible for how Brexit was implemented or rather not implemented.

Yes because of the way it impacts them ,not just because they have a diagnosis.

23% of working age adults is huge.

Ah so is the story now that if Farage had done Brexit it would all be better?

Of course foreign nationals who live here and work here should be able to claim benefits if needed. Im guessing that they will have paid into the system.
They should be targeting the grifters, those who can work but choose not to.
Those who jump in the ever increasing mental health wagon. How and when did this gravy train start rolling?
Even 10 years ago it was ,barely heard about. Now it seems every tom and harry and his dog and cat are unable to work because of their mental health

Also why is it always foreign nationals or sons and daughters of those foreign nationals that are so quick to sign away the rights of others? It beggars belief really!

I won't vote for him. I've got 3 kids with autism I could never hold down a job apart from self employed cleaning, if clients don't expect me to stick to rigid times and days so not worth it. If it weren't for the benefits I get on top of my husband's wages life would be incredibly hard

No one with just mild MH challenges are getting PIP

My brother has schizophrenia and lives in care. No therapy will cure him

I would agree with PPs people don’t get PIP for mild health problems.
But I suppose the question isn’t really about that, it’s about why we now have so many more people who meet the criteria for mental health and neurodiversity severely impacting them. I work in this area and the numbers have exploded compared to 20 years ago. And it’s not to do with better diagnosis as we would always have supported people struggling, they don’t need a diagnosis.
But that needs medical research into causes and treatments, not politicians.

Oh come on. I've just done my own PIP claim, answered honestly, and been rejected, despite currently undergoing cancer treatment and having recently had major surgery. I can say with my hand on my heart that it would have been extremely easy to have answered differently on that form, hammed it up, and been accepted. All on issues that could neither be proven or disproven by anyone. That's not a secret, everyone knows that mental health is the area that is the most easy to manipulate, depending on your own integrity, on these forms. And having seen it with my own eyes I can absolutely attest to that being a valid point. Those answering genuinely, who really need it, are indistinguishable from those who don't answer honestly. The system needs to change.

Reform created the problem of immigrants landing here and not being able to send back to France as we used to ... Brexit caused this, nothing else!

So people will pay an insurance premium pus an excess of around £2000 per condition.... on top of the taxes they currently pay.

People also have multiple conditions.

What do you think a realistic premium should be? would it be higher for me in my 60s, far less for my DD in her 20s?
How much additional cost passed on to business?

What would the excess or charge be for GP appointments?

Thats a very uncomfortable truth that Reformites/Tories/Brexitiers will never accept....

...but the reality is that Dublin Agreement allowed countries to deport asylum seekers back to the country they first registered in, applies to around 80% of cross channel migrants.
Why else did the x channel route balloon in popularity the moment we left the EU officially?

Sums it up.

What’s so depressing is the OP sounds so proud of their ignorant conclusions.

I used to think that in general the British public were not easily fooled but then Brexit happened. I spoke to someone recently who said he thought Farage sounded like he spoke sense. I mentioned what happened over Brexit. He admitted he was fooled about that and believed the lies. And yet was STILL willing to believe Nige now. Give me strength….

On the trans issue, that'll be the 'blokes should be able to do what they want and women don't matter' bit of his "beliefs".

Maybe reform say some things you like. Parties have a mix of policies and most people will find some things they like in all parties policy portfolios.

However reform are different from other parties, because they have specific plans to remove legal protections against discriminstion. They have said they will repeal or substantially amend the equality act on 'day 1'. Wave goodbye to protections against discrimination based on race, sex, disability, age, and sexual orientation.
They aren't hiding it. They are telling you who they are and what they stand for.

Your right to return to work after having a baby and not to be discriminated against in the job market because you are a woman isn't automatic - it is due to our current legal framework. Current laws are what makes discriminstion due to sex, disability, race and sexuality illegal. Politicians can change these laws. Reform say they will.

Really think about whether that is what you want because if they get into power they will be in control for a long time.

Ik this comes up on here nearly every time but no one has resolved the migration issue using the DA. Look at ROI and current migration stresses, but all EU countries really.

Poland tackles it but not via the DA. And Hungary might too even with Orbán out.

Agree. I couldn't claim for the 12+ years before I got citizenship (not a dime!) despite paying taxes, NI etc. for the duration.

OP you know nothing about claiming PIP. Perhaps learn about it before posting rubbish.

You made a mistake in your heading. It should read “I’m a shill for Farage, here is his latest, highly misleading position to whip up some froth”

Foreign nationals can’t automatically claim benefits. Many who do claim are also paying tax. You can’t get pip for mild mental health issues.

And if so? Next thing?
Brits abroad face the same issue.

GPs do it already - for prescriptions for medication, for signposting, for referrals to primary and secondary mental health care, to signing people off work. Psychiatrists and psychologists spend years training and specialising in mental health area. While the NHS is over stretched and under funded it’s still a bit incredulous that that someone would have no idea who could possibly be involved in such a system.

A two-fer! Racism and benefit bashing. Bravo OP.

Farage is a conman. Anyone who votes for Reform is doing themselves no favours. Unless they are wealthy.

But what would you feel if it wasn’t in your personal interest. Because we have to move away from these selfish attitudes that we only vote for our own personal situation. It doesn’t make me happy for people like you not to have a safety net. I don’t want to see people bankrupting themselves to pay for medical debts as happens in the States.

And yet people complain about paying taxes for their estate when they have left their children over £1 million and only have to pay taxes on amounts over the £1 million. How much money do people actually need? When can we start to move away from such a selfish mindset and to think that it’s good for all of us if we can afford to make sure children are not in poverty. That everyone has decent education and healthcare. That there is good, affordable childcare for working parents.

I would have more respect for your point of view if you said you wouldn’t vote for him even if you were a millionaire.