Don't like Farage but..

[TheBlueKoala]

I do agree with him that foreign nationals shouldn't be able to claim benefits and to scrap PIP for mild mental health issues. And that the money saved should go into mental health care so that everyone with mild mental health problems can access NHS care rapidly.

Grannie's grandad arrived from Ireland 1831
Grandad arrived 2021 from Russia via China and India - refugees.
Father arrived 1938, aged 10, refugee - admittedly taken in by a host family.

Nobody got any benefits. They all had to work or scrape a living.

It is. All these reform voters are going to cry when it costs over £100k to get an ambulance out.

It's a load of shallow bollocks, like everything that comes out of his mouth.

Such measured and reassuring replies to the OP.
Just when I am despairing at the falling for Reform uncosted and divisive “policies” he comes up with, I come on here and my faith in human nature is restored.
Thank you

@TheyGrewUpwell your grandad undoubtedly used the NHS. That’s a benefit. Probably your father too. Without it healthcare would have been too expensive unless you were all wealthy so don’t say they didn’t rely on benefits!

Right so here are these fellow human beings ... they are not allowed to work, not allowed benefits .... shall we stick them all in one place and watch them starve? Sell tickets to watch?

These people may not have behaved as we might wish, but neither have prisoners .... do we let them starve too?

Illegal immigration is a big problem ... no doubt about that .... but we have to be able to hold up our heads as humans.

I live in a rundown town in North Wales and practically half the people I know are on pip.. it's a joke.

Even the drug dealers in my regular pub are on it. (ADHD). Furthermore they get to pay only £10 for my local leisure centre gym where I have to pay 50 a month.

I know the lefty types will be in here in a minute naysaying.. I'm deluded... I'm lying... They're lying blabla

Cope cope cope.

I do actually have a good mate on pip and he does genuinely have mental issues... The only thing is he doesn't use the money for anything proper.. it all goes on booze tobacco and the odd cocaine. He survives on those jars of hot dogs in home bargains.

I think the no benefits thing is a bad idea.

Firstly because it is going to be reciprocated on British citizens living abroad, secondly some people need benefits for short periods of time, thirdly some British children with foreign mothers are going to be left hungry and potentially homeless because of this.

You think you are sticking it to one group of people, but you actually aren’t.

Same. 🙄

Farage is all about self promotion. Don’t be fooled into thinking anything that comes out of his mouth is actually for the benefit of the British people.

It doesn't really matter. Any one with MH problems should get therapy instead of PIP.

My mother came here in 1965 and spent her career working in the NHS. She never applied for citizenship as it is expensive and there was never any actual need for it, but has ILR. I would like the OP to tell me why she is less entitled to her pension than a British citizen who has never worked (and gets pension credit) and what should happen if she develops any age-related illnesses such as dementia which would normally attract Attendance Allowance? Farage wants to deport people in her position, and it sounds like there will be enough people like the OP cheering him on.

Therapy is by no means guaranteed to lead to a significant reduction in symptoms or to improve overall functioning. It is also a lengthy process. What do you propose people who are too mentally unwell to work do to keep a roof over their head and food on the table? Therapy isn't a magic wand.

This woman got PIP and seemed to be 'living her best life' as well.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn4vmw27x13o

From my understanding PIP is very hard to get, so that’s BS.
He is a dangerous man who preys on our fears.

Is this information from local council leafleting? If so, then it’s totally irrelevant as it’s the Government who deal with benefits. Mind it worked for Kent local elections when they put in stuff about immigration. Sigh.

I am not surprised Farage sent out such a dog whistle - always surprised people run with them without thought - or saddened tbh.

I mean I have to acknowledge he always knows what to say to attract certain people. which vulnerable people we can blame and verbally attack - two sets at one stroke here ‘foreign nationals’ and ‘benefits/PIP claimants’!

So - as above, and well detailed, no one in the U.K. gets PIP for ‘mild MH issues’

Foreign nationals, on visas, have no recourse to public funds - ie no benefits - if necessary, they have to apply for a lifting of that condition and have to show they are destitute.

NHS - you do know we pay NI here, whatever nationality we are? Also most applying for a visa have to pay a surcharge of around £1000/pa to enable use of the NHS. I mean could say if we don’t want foreign nationals around healthcare then we’d not have much of an NHS left so no one would get anything.

The PIP, the foreign nationals, the benefits are not the problem impacting you - the billionaires and the Frogface et al are though.

Don’t believe for one second that if he gets in he will give a flying monkeys about his voters anyway - he wants to privatise the NHS, he will take your employment rights alongside cutting migrants’ rights, he will cut benefits for everyone.

Look into policies- look into capabilities of running a council/government - don’t just fall for nasty soundbites.

Lots of people with adhd are on it and are perfectly capable of everything they say they’re not.

Farage might want to get rid of migrants but he also wants to privatise the NHS. You won't get what you want.

Look closely at the policies not the man.

He's saying these controversial things that a lot of Joe-Gammons would jump to agree with on a whim.

I also agree with a few sentiments that him and other politicians have said - despite disagreeing with their core aims and policies... however - im not stupid enough to be swayed to voting far right because of a few lines here and there. I am sure you're nit stupid enough to vote far right either...

Therapy isn’t a cure-all, and very expensive unless you can get it on the NHS and then sessions are limited. Both my DC have had poor MH since childhood, have accessed therapy but it only helps to some extent. One is also on medication. You’d say they live a ‘normal’ life but they struggle with many aspects of it.
Tgry never even considered PIP as they are fully independent.

People forget so soon. All that money that Brexit was going to be saved to spend on the NHS . Advertised on buses

That was an absolute lie. This is too.

It is a gross simplification of the very real problems we face in the cost of our welfare state . It appeals to our fears and human need for simple answers.

@AgnesX How can we get to read the Policies? When I tried there was a small fee to pay?

And here it starts....you won't get anything for nothing with Reform.

PS sorry, if there's a way to get them free someone might have a link but as far as I know there isn't.

Not in 1921 he didn't. It was established in 1947/8. By the mid 30s he was making good money and had married grannie. Of course he helped fight the war; but no they never much used the NHS, preferring even to pay the GP. When Grandad had cancer, aged 91, he paid privately for that care too and had a not yet NHS adopted form of chemo which gave him good quality of life for an extra six months.

Why don't you want any foreign nationals to be entitled to this? My husband has lived here 25 years, longer than in his country of birth. He is a high earner, volunteers in community stuff, has British children, hardly ever visits the doctor. He has contributed much more to the UK than the average British born person. But if he has a breakdown he should fuck off back to where he came from?

Farage is a very dangerous man. Your title alone terrified me OP.

I have a family member on PIP because she is severely disabled with a life limiting illness. She had to work hard to get it. Do not trust his propaganda.

Also, I work in a pharmacy and I can tell you that the vast majority of the people on Universal credit are British.
It’s massively opened my eyes to what is going on.