Don't like Farage but..

[TheBlueKoala]

I do agree with him that foreign nationals shouldn't be able to claim benefits and to scrap PIP for mild mental health issues. And that the money saved should go into mental health care so that everyone with mild mental health problems can access NHS care rapidly.

I don't believe this post is genuine.

Just another attempt to cause division, which is exactly what Reform is all about.

Sorry, I think I wasn't clear in my OP. I loathe Farage who has always been a racist and still is. I am absolutely against privatisation if the NHS and I regret Brexit. So obviously I will never vote for him. That doesn't mean that I will say that all is shit that comes from his mouth. I would just like a pro European pro state-owned NHS party could pick up some of his ideas. And tax the extremely wealthy more- they are the ones who should be making the hugest effort in reducting Britain's debt.

Our local Reform candidate for next month's election has not articulated a single policy. Apparently we should vote Reform as Labour isn't working. But Labour isn't in power in my district or county council.

Benefits should not be a long term solution, that’s the issue. They should be used as a safety net to get people through difficult times, with an aim of helping them return to work and being self sufficient. The obvious exceptions are the disabled, sick and elderly. Our society relies on people working and paying back into that system.

The rise in popularity of someone like Farage is due to the failures of previous governments in upholding those values and principles.

It’s easy to label reform voters ‘uneducated’ but those are the people who are often going out and working long hours for very little reward and then they see others who are better off than them through living a life on benefits.

I would never in a million years vote for that prick of a man but if you can’t see why other people would, you must be very deluded about the state of this country.

Exactly, but that won't stop the reform supporters believing everything that's wrong with this country is the fault of foreigners.

Yes and prosecuted, sentenced and forced to pay back everything she has claimed.

Not allowing migrants to claim benefits is all very well but will mean those in low paid work, will leave, some might celebrate until they find there are less care/factory/hospitality workers.

Though none of this will ever affect people like Farage or the even worse slim ball, Rupert Lowe.

The biggest issue i have with Reform, is their promise to deport 100s of 1000s of people here legally, something the Nazis did in the 30s...

How do you know Farage is lying?

His lips move.

Don't fall for his inflammatory bullshit.

Who gets PIP for mild mental health issues?

Yes. Doctors. It is supposed to be their area of clinical and professional expertise, after all.

Therapy doesn’t pay your bills.

Well depends on which doctor really doesn’t it? Though no one is getting PIP for feeling a bit nervous anyway.

The NHS already has privatised parts. This goes back years, Tony Blair was a big fan of it. The current Labour government have not changed this.

If you mean no longer free at the point of use, Reform have repeatedly said this will not happen but people still repeat it ad nauseam because it suits their agenda.

My prediction is that the result of these
elections will be for the Govt to say it’s listening and that changes to welfare are needed, especially for foreign nationals. People should be better off working than not working (obviously!). There is a groundswell of public opinion on these subjects.

Whether anything is done about it is another story.

PIP isn't given to people with mild MH difficulties.

What do you imagine should happen to a worker from another country who comes here to work and then becomes sick or injured? Leave them to starve? Expect them to beg on the street? I have no desire to live in a country like that.

But how did she get PIP in the first place if what we’re led to believe is that it’s impossible unless you are a genuine claimant?

But she was caught, made to repay the money, and given a suspended prison sentence. So this can’t be an example of the kind of thing Farage will no longer allow, as it clearly isn’t allowed now.

There will always be people who are dishonest, it s minority though and doesn’t mean we should punish everyone else for the actions of a few.

In all honesty I’m not sure how people obtain PIP. You have to send a wealth of evidence. They still only award my father 3 yearly awards despite him being severely disabled after a stroke. It’s as if they think he will magically wake up one day not disabled.

Just remember whatever politicians say it is not legally binding on them to enact it.

I agree with you on the foreign nationals but like others have said, you cannot get PIP for ‘mild mental health issues’. You just can’t!

Having said that though, unpopular as it may be, I think PIP should be a means tested benefit. I have a friend who has a chronic condition but he is thankfully still able to work full time as does his wife. He’s entitled to PIP but they essentially use the money as their savings fund.

I believe we absolutely should support people well when they’re unable to work but this seems a bit out of whack to me.

Is he planning on adding the money to the £350 million a week to the NHS on the Brexit bus.

The man is a Trump-fucker.

My understanding of this woman’s story is that she did qualify, then improved and carried on claiming, so that would be how.

You don’t pop to your GP, say you have anxiety and they start sending you envelopes of cash. It is a long, hard, dehumanising and stressful process.

YABU. What the likes of Farage do, is find small things where they can get reasonable people to agree with them, and use these for leverage. He's aiming to cause division between groups of normally reasonable people. That's what he's doing here. Then he'll chose something else, and you will listen to him because you listened the first time. Then you'll start thinking maybe he isn't so bad after all. And so it goes.

The PIP thing is bullshit. There's no definition of 'mild'. I don't know enough about the benefits issue to offer an opinion, except that if Farage wants it, I would support the opposite view because I don't trust Farage.

Not privatise but make it more efficient. Reform have confirmed it would remain free at point of use. It costs an absurd amount of money and outcomes in many areas are way below most comparable European countries. Too many managers, absurd procurement, bureaucratic and inefficient. Until social care is integrated and its issues properly discussed it will continue to deteriorate. Currently it is becoming effectively privatised as so many people are going private and getting into debt to do so as it is becoming impossible to access many treatments and people are in pain and suffering debilitating conditions which in a developed country is absurd. Reform are merely acknowledging this situation and considering strategies to improve. They are not suggesting US style healthcare or selling off the NHS to anyone. Some action needs to be taken and no other party is offering anything other than throwing more money at it. The definition of madness is ?

Farage is a massive liar. He says all sorts of shit which he will entirely disregard directly his feet are under the table.

A lot has been already on the quiet, ambulance services, pharmacies, block booking of private hospitals for operations, scanning services, 3rd party companies for cataracts and similar.