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Six year old trans girl ‘tries to cut off her penis’ after Guide ban

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JonesTown · 29/03/2026 11:14

Quite a disturbing article in this morning’s Observer regarding the impact of the Guides’ ban on trans girls following the Supreme Court ruling.

It reports on the experience of one six year old trans girl named Emily after hearing she could no longer attend Rainbows:

Emily’s parents decided to be honest with their daughter about the situation, and explained that she was no longer able to take part in Rainbows because she was trans. A few hours later Curt said they found her “sobbing in her room” and were “shocked” to find her holding a pair of plastic scissors to her penis.

AIBU to find this a distressing consequence of campaign by anti-trans activists or is it a natural result of allowing such young children to change their gender identity?

Girlguiding facing mass exodus after setting deadline for...

Girlguiding facing mass exodus after setting deadline for...

The organisation is battling a backlash over new rules that will exclude trans girls from the organisation

https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/girlguiding-facing-mass-exodus-after-setting-deadline-for-trans-girls-to-quit

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MrsMurphyIWish · 29/03/2026 13:59

HRTQueen · 29/03/2026 13:52

This is really sad to read

just how do we move forward supporting children who are feeling confused who do believe they are born in the wrong body

I feel both sides have become so entrenched in their views that we have lost the ability to have sensible conversations

In the last decade all I have seen is biological women comprising more and more.

ThatCyanCat · 29/03/2026 14:00

JonesTown · 29/03/2026 13:55

The IOC have caved into pressure from Trump and the far-right gender critical activists.

Those who are campaigning against dignity for trans women should be asking themselves if they’re really happy to be on the same side as Trump 🙄

I wish someone had told me recognising sex in humans was a central tenet of far right ideology sooner. I'd have done better in my Politics A level. Especially if they'd also told me it was far right to cave to pressure from objective fact. Would have given me grounds to name my own grade.

scoobydeedoo · 29/03/2026 14:01

That child needs serious mental health parents, not parents who go along with the lie that he can change sex.

PoliteSquid · 29/03/2026 14:01

JonesTown · 29/03/2026 11:27

Zoe Williams has argued that a sensible solution to all of this would be to make the Brownies mixed gender like the Scouts.

Wouldn't this be more sensible than making six year old girls so distressed that they attempt to cut off their penis?

6 year old girls don’t have penises. 6 year old boys do.

TheBafflingIsGenerallyComplete · 29/03/2026 14:02

JonesTown · 29/03/2026 11:27

Zoe Williams has argued that a sensible solution to all of this would be to make the Brownies mixed gender like the Scouts.

Wouldn't this be more sensible than making six year old girls so distressed that they attempt to cut off their penis?

No. hth.

HRTQueen · 29/03/2026 14:03

VickyEadieofThigh · 29/03/2026 13:54

You certainly do them no favours if the answer is to just agree with them, affirm and over time, organise for them to take life-altering drugs and have irreversible surgeries.

Have I said agree with them

no but many people believe they live in the wrong body the constant trans debate of course raises anxiety for them I do not feel this should be ignored

Ved · 29/03/2026 14:03

MrsMurphyIWish · 29/03/2026 13:59

In the last decade all I have seen is biological women comprising more and more.

I know right. All these years and years - decades and decades - of women fighting to be heard, to be respected, to have the vote, to be able to have financial independence, to be able to have a job, to be recognised at work, to be thought of as a human being with rights; and it's nigh on gone to shit in less than a decade because of TRAs. Even actresses are ACTORS now. Just take away everything about women. Let's just call us all non-men like The Green party want. Hmm

FML!

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VickyEadieofThigh · 29/03/2026 14:03

JonesTown · 29/03/2026 13:55

The IOC have caved into pressure from Trump and the far-right gender critical activists.

Those who are campaigning against dignity for trans women should be asking themselves if they’re really happy to be on the same side as Trump 🙄

It's always because of Trump or JKR, isn't it with you sex deniers? Nobody else with any relevant interest in it at all, apparently.

My niece is a middle distance athlete. She wrote a dissertation on the issue for her EPQ (got the A* in it) and has written at length about it through her science degrees. She knows full well how much faster even mediocre men can run than she can.

You see, the statistics tell the story - no amount of "ooh, but you should be KIND to the trans-identifying men" will change the plain fact that we play sport and compete with our sexed bodies, not our imaginations.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 29/03/2026 14:04

JonesTown · 29/03/2026 13:55

The IOC have caved into pressure from Trump and the far-right gender critical activists.

Those who are campaigning against dignity for trans women should be asking themselves if they’re really happy to be on the same side as Trump 🙄

There’s no dignity in defending cheating men.

Vaxtable · 29/03/2026 14:04

JonesTown · 29/03/2026 13:48

They identify as women though, and should be treated as such from the perspective of sport categorisation.

Trans women happen to have been assigned male at birth. That should not prevent them participating in the sport grouping that feels most appropriate to them.

Trans women are not assigned male at birth, chromosomes they are born with dictate they are male. You do remember chromosomes, you know they dictate if you are male or female , with occasionally some mess ups for intersex? They are not randomly assigned either sex.

In this childs case it was XY chromosomes so they are male. That then leads to puberty etc which is completely different to female puberty and means an unfair disadvantage to women so no they should not be treated as women from the perspective of sport categorisation, just look at what happens when that is allowed

You really are rather naive in your thought process sometimes

TheBafflingIsGenerallyComplete · 29/03/2026 14:06

This poor child. There is a special circle of hell reserved for adults who are telling children they can change sex.

ElenOfTheWays · 29/03/2026 14:06

JonesTown · 29/03/2026 11:27

Zoe Williams has argued that a sensible solution to all of this would be to make the Brownies mixed gender like the Scouts.

Wouldn't this be more sensible than making six year old girls so distressed that they attempt to cut off their penis?

I think you're confused dear.
Six year old GIRLS don't have a penis.

Boiledbeetle · 29/03/2026 14:06

JonesTown · 29/03/2026 13:55

The IOC have caved into pressure from Trump and the far-right gender critical activists.

Those who are campaigning against dignity for trans women should be asking themselves if they’re really happy to be on the same side as Trump 🙄

Oh no! Accusations of being on the same side as Trump. Well obviously I can't have that I must change my mind about reality just because a bloke on a different continent also thinks men can't be women.

🙄

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 29/03/2026 14:07

JonesTown · 29/03/2026 13:21

There was an interesting letter to The Guardian a few months ago where a women described how she regularly uses male toilets as the queues are shorter. She has done this for decades without issue.

I think we all need to be more understanding and see each other as individuals rather than simply members of a specific identity group.

The Guardian may well have unearthed a woman with no boundaries and no sense of privacy from men (and no respect for men’s privacy), it’s very convenient for their obvious agenda.

It doesn’t mean the vast majority of normal women and men want mixed sex spaces as a rule. Sex is not an ‘identity group’. I’m sure you know this.

JonesTown · 29/03/2026 14:07

Ved · 29/03/2026 14:03

I know right. All these years and years - decades and decades - of women fighting to be heard, to be respected, to have the vote, to be able to have financial independence, to be able to have a job, to be recognised at work, to be thought of as a human being with rights; and it's nigh on gone to shit in less than a decade because of TRAs. Even actresses are ACTORS now. Just take away everything about women. Let's just call us all non-men like The Green party want. Hmm

FML!

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The Green Party position is that trans women are women, and should have access to female spaces alongside non-binary people.

Until we reach a position where all facilities are multi-gender, the Greens’ position would avoid trans people being so distressed that a six year old girl tries to cut her penis off.

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Ved · 29/03/2026 14:07

Boiledbeetle · 29/03/2026 14:06

Oh no! Accusations of being on the same side as Trump. Well obviously I can't have that I must change my mind about reality just because a bloke on a different continent also thinks men can't be women.

🙄

Woo hoo, seems we're all fans of Donald Trump because he also thinks men can never be women!

Again FML! 😠

TheKeatingFive · 29/03/2026 14:10

Imagine not being able to use your own brain and conscience to make moral judgements?

Imagine having so little confidence that you have to base all your beliefs on what others think (either in agreement or in opposition).

Triskellion75 · 29/03/2026 14:10

Supporting single sex spaces = Trump supporter?

Aye, very good. 😆

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 29/03/2026 14:10

JonesTown · 29/03/2026 13:55

The IOC have caved into pressure from Trump and the far-right gender critical activists.

Those who are campaigning against dignity for trans women should be asking themselves if they’re really happy to be on the same side as Trump 🙄

Is this a reverse? Surely nobody could genuinely be this stupid. You are making a spectacle of yourself. Best to stop now and go and have a walk in the fresh air.

Hobnobswantshernameback · 29/03/2026 14:10

I'm going to start a drinking gamr
everytime the op says "her penis"
take a slug of your drink of choice
reckon I'll be twatted in no time

Vaxtable · 29/03/2026 14:10

JonesTown · 29/03/2026 13:55

The IOC have caved into pressure from Trump and the far-right gender critical activists.

Those who are campaigning against dignity for trans women should be asking themselves if they’re really happy to be on the same side as Trump 🙄

So have all the other organisations who have now said only those with female chromosomes can enter female sports also ‘caved into pressure’?

You are aware of the ruling last year about the legal definition of a women? So no doubt the UK Supreme Court has also ‘caved ln’

The reality is no one has caved in, they have simply made it clear that your chromosomes at birth state you are male or female. That now is carried forward into the workplace and sport

That you seem to think it acceptable that it’s ok for say a male boxer to decide they are female, take part in female boxing and kick the shit out of them ( just look at the recent Olympics) is shameful

TheKeatingFive · 29/03/2026 14:11

JonesTown · 29/03/2026 14:07

The Green Party position is that trans women are women, and should have access to female spaces alongside non-binary people.

Until we reach a position where all facilities are multi-gender, the Greens’ position would avoid trans people being so distressed that a six year old girl tries to cut her penis off.

The Greens position is that women have to give up their boundaries and basic safeguarding so that they can give men everything they want.

No fucking thank you.

Ved · 29/03/2026 14:11

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 29/03/2026 14:10

Is this a reverse? Surely nobody could genuinely be this stupid. You are making a spectacle of yourself. Best to stop now and go and have a walk in the fresh air.

I think the OP needs a long nap too.

Bigearringsbigsmile · 29/03/2026 14:11

JonesTown · 29/03/2026 14:07

The Green Party position is that trans women are women, and should have access to female spaces alongside non-binary people.

Until we reach a position where all facilities are multi-gender, the Greens’ position would avoid trans people being so distressed that a six year old girl tries to cut her penis off.

Girls don't have penises

ainsleysanob · 29/03/2026 14:11

JonesTown · 29/03/2026 13:55

The IOC have caved into pressure from Trump and the far-right gender critical activists.

Those who are campaigning against dignity for trans women should be asking themselves if they’re really happy to be on the same side as Trump 🙄

I absolutely do not give a shit if I’m on the same side as Donald Trump and the other people displaying common sense and intelligence (sorry Far-Right gender critical activists!) in regards to this particular subject. No qualms at all. I congratulate him in fact on having the balls (not unlike the 6 year old boy) to challenge it and state fact as opposed to the arseflaps we have who can’t or won’t differentiate between Chromosomes. #teamtrump

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