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ChattyCatty25 · 04/03/2026 12:28

Agrumpyknitter · 04/03/2026 11:55

It’s called tactical voting and at least it kept Reform out. What worries me more is that Reform voters lack critical thinking skills so that they are willing to forgo their employment rights, rights to bodily autonomy, maternity & paternity rights including leave and job protections, rights to equal pay, rights to an abortion, and are happy for single childless women to pay an additional tax for not having children (even if they physically can’t) and we go to a potentially ruinous private healthcare option. Reform policies impact women and disable people disproportionately. DEI isn’t just for the ethnic peoples it’s for all women and those who have protected characteristics under law. Reform also want to get rid of the two child cap so they can afford a 5p reduction in the price of a pint. Note they’re not making childless or feckless men pay additional tax or even their child support. But as long as they have a slightly cheaper pint.

Reform are happy to tell us who they are and what they are going to do if they get into power. Best believe it. One thing they won’t do is actually get rid of illegal migration entirely, because then who will they blame when the rich get even wealthier and the ignorant poor need someone to blame. They need their bogeyman and they will keep it.

Reform are also happy to destroy the environment, (Labour are not much better) and are dismissive of the harm that gender ideology causes to women, even in prisons.

You used to be able to rely on the Green Party to prioritise the environment, but these days they are more interested in promoting Hamas and transgenderism.

IcyPlumShaker · 04/03/2026 12:30

LucyWestenra · 04/03/2026 10:14

I can’t understand why everyone is falling for Polanski’s rubbish.

Hmm. Let me see... perhaps it's because:

  1. Reform are far-right racist assh*les.
  2. the Tories spent the last 14 years destroying the country.
  3. Labour started with a lot of promise ( I used to vote Labour ) but have since been a disaster.
  4. The Lib Dems have zero momentum.

I like the Greens ( and will vote for them ) because they want to protect the environment, redistribute wealth from billionaires to public services, and are pro LGTB.

Really, what's not to like?

OrangeAxolotyl · 04/03/2026 12:31

IcyPlumShaker · 04/03/2026 12:30

Hmm. Let me see... perhaps it's because:

  1. Reform are far-right racist assh*les.
  2. the Tories spent the last 14 years destroying the country.
  3. Labour started with a lot of promise ( I used to vote Labour ) but have since been a disaster.
  4. The Lib Dems have zero momentum.

I like the Greens ( and will vote for them ) because they want to protect the environment, redistribute wealth from billionaires to public services, and are pro LGTB.

Really, what's not to like?

What's not to like?
I'm guessing you've read this thread?

Panama2 · 04/03/2026 12:33

Brightonkebab · 03/03/2026 16:19

she's dreadful. On twitter she once claimed Gulags weren't so bad becase people got an education there.

That’s awful it’s like saying concentration camps weren’t that bad, people lost weight

LucyWestenra · 04/03/2026 12:33

OrangeAxolotyl · 04/03/2026 12:31

What's not to like?
I'm guessing you've read this thread?

I know, right?

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canisquaeso · 04/03/2026 12:35

LucyWestenra · 04/03/2026 11:02

Can we please not do that on this thread?

I was replying to a user who decided to go around throwing blanket statements, I wasn’t “doing that”.

IcyPlumShaker · 04/03/2026 12:35

OrangeAxolotyl · 04/03/2026 12:31

What's not to like?
I'm guessing you've read this thread?

I never believe anything I read in the Daily Fail. It's mostly right-wing garbage.

If Abi Wilkinson DID say that, then that's appalling. But it doesn't undermine the Greens as an electoral choice imo - particularly given how awful the alternatives are.

ERthree · 04/03/2026 12:38

ChattyCatty25 · 04/03/2026 12:20

That’s absolutely shocking. She should be in trouble for false reporting. I don’t usually say this but she could have ruined an innocent man’s life.

This is not surprising in the slightest. We have got to the point in the western world that no black or brown person can ever be held to account for their actions. white people are continually told they are racist, have unconscious bias and white privilege. No criticism of a black or brown person is allowed no matter what. You say Michael Jackson wasn't the worlds best singer, your racist, call Meghan out on her lies, you are racist.
Racist is a word used to beat white people and to allow anyone who is not white to act as they please and demand the world do their bidding.
white liberals made this situation.

Twiglets1 · 04/03/2026 12:40

IcyPlumShaker · 04/03/2026 12:35

I never believe anything I read in the Daily Fail. It's mostly right-wing garbage.

If Abi Wilkinson DID say that, then that's appalling. But it doesn't undermine the Greens as an electoral choice imo - particularly given how awful the alternatives are.

She tweeted these things and they were reported in other sources too.

It makes me question Greens as an electoral choice if they would employ someone with those views and not sack her when she made them. The Green Party are not denying she made them by the way.

OrangeAxolotyl · 04/03/2026 12:41

Weirdly, they assume that all Israelis are white.
There are Arab Israelis, Muslims, Christians, Druze, Bedouin... however, that doesn't suit their narrative.

LucyWestenra · 04/03/2026 12:42

OrangeAxolotyl · 04/03/2026 12:41

Weirdly, they assume that all Israelis are white.
There are Arab Israelis, Muslims, Christians, Druze, Bedouin... however, that doesn't suit their narrative.

Yes, funny that.

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OrangeAxolotyl · 04/03/2026 12:43

Twiglets1 · 04/03/2026 12:40

She tweeted these things and they were reported in other sources too.

It makes me question Greens as an electoral choice if they would employ someone with those views and not sack her when she made them. The Green Party are not denying she made them by the way.

Yes, I double checked, because it was from the Daily Mail.
You can see her tweet. The source is clear.
Her anti female stance is demonstrably clear.
I hope that she's not going to pronounce on the girls and women of Sudan, and the systematic rape going on.
Perhaps their word isn't enough.

IcyPlumShaker · 04/03/2026 12:46

Twiglets1 · 04/03/2026 12:40

She tweeted these things and they were reported in other sources too.

It makes me question Greens as an electoral choice if they would employ someone with those views and not sack her when she made them. The Green Party are not denying she made them by the way.

I don't care.

Every political party has its fair share of idiots; idiots who occasionally tweet something stupid or offensive.

Overall, I still think the Greens are the best choice. Best for the environment, best for the economy, best for society.

Their poll ratings are skyrocketing, and they just won Denton and Gorton, so clearly lots of other people agree with me.

SapphireSeptember · 04/03/2026 12:47

IcyPlumShaker · 04/03/2026 12:30

Hmm. Let me see... perhaps it's because:

  1. Reform are far-right racist assh*les.
  2. the Tories spent the last 14 years destroying the country.
  3. Labour started with a lot of promise ( I used to vote Labour ) but have since been a disaster.
  4. The Lib Dems have zero momentum.

I like the Greens ( and will vote for them ) because they want to protect the environment, redistribute wealth from billionaires to public services, and are pro LGTB.

Really, what's not to like?

Why did you put the B last? I know we (bisexual people) are often overlooked, but come on! Makes me rage (and they don't care about the LGBT people who don't agree with them either!)
(You can say arsehole here too.)

Meanwhile, to that idiot woman denying the horrific violence of the 7th of October attacks. WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENED!!! (Yes I am shouting.) What else is she going to deny happened that day? I just cannot with these people anymore. I can't think about the loss of life that happened that day and the subsequent loss of life in Gaza without feeling utter despair. I'm very much in the pro human life, anti murder and war camp.

Twiglets1 · 04/03/2026 12:47

OrangeAxolotyl · 04/03/2026 12:43

Yes, I double checked, because it was from the Daily Mail.
You can see her tweet. The source is clear.
Her anti female stance is demonstrably clear.
I hope that she's not going to pronounce on the girls and women of Sudan, and the systematic rape going on.
Perhaps their word isn't enough.

That last sentence sounds so sad.

We should always believe rape victims whether Sudanese, Jewish or whatever.

It's a new low in a cynical world to not believe the rape victims on 7/10/23.

LucyWestenra · 04/03/2026 12:48

IcyPlumShaker · 04/03/2026 12:46

I don't care.

Every political party has its fair share of idiots; idiots who occasionally tweet something stupid or offensive.

Overall, I still think the Greens are the best choice. Best for the environment, best for the economy, best for society.

Their poll ratings are skyrocketing, and they just won Denton and Gorton, so clearly lots of other people agree with me.

Leaving aside everything else, do you really believe billionaires are going to stick around long enough to have their wealth ‘redistributed’?

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IcyPlumShaker · 04/03/2026 12:49

SapphireSeptember · 04/03/2026 12:47

Why did you put the B last? I know we (bisexual people) are often overlooked, but come on! Makes me rage (and they don't care about the LGBT people who don't agree with them either!)
(You can say arsehole here too.)

Meanwhile, to that idiot woman denying the horrific violence of the 7th of October attacks. WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENED!!! (Yes I am shouting.) What else is she going to deny happened that day? I just cannot with these people anymore. I can't think about the loss of life that happened that day and the subsequent loss of life in Gaza without feeling utter despair. I'm very much in the pro human life, anti murder and war camp.

Ha, I'm very sorry for putting the B last, it wasn't deliberate, I promise!

Particularly as I'm B myself!

raspberets · 04/03/2026 12:49

Twiglets1 · 04/03/2026 12:47

That last sentence sounds so sad.

We should always believe rape victims whether Sudanese, Jewish or whatever.

It's a new low in a cynical world to not believe the rape victims on 7/10/23.

Edited

Any rape victim.

OrangeAxolotyl · 04/03/2026 12:49

IcyPlumShaker · 04/03/2026 12:46

I don't care.

Every political party has its fair share of idiots; idiots who occasionally tweet something stupid or offensive.

Overall, I still think the Greens are the best choice. Best for the environment, best for the economy, best for society.

Their poll ratings are skyrocketing, and they just won Denton and Gorton, so clearly lots of other people agree with me.

Well I think there are idiots in every party.
This is beyond idiocy.

ChattyCatty25 · 04/03/2026 12:49

ERthree · 04/03/2026 12:38

This is not surprising in the slightest. We have got to the point in the western world that no black or brown person can ever be held to account for their actions. white people are continually told they are racist, have unconscious bias and white privilege. No criticism of a black or brown person is allowed no matter what. You say Michael Jackson wasn't the worlds best singer, your racist, call Meghan out on her lies, you are racist.
Racist is a word used to beat white people and to allow anyone who is not white to act as they please and demand the world do their bidding.
white liberals made this situation.

This is very true; what’s shocking is that one of these white self haters escalated to trying to falsely accuse a white man.

If you don’t want your precious brown or black rapist to be punished, then just don’t report it to the police. Don’t try to attack an innocent man because of the colour of his skin!

IcyPlumShaker · 04/03/2026 12:50

LucyWestenra · 04/03/2026 12:48

Leaving aside everything else, do you really believe billionaires are going to stick around long enough to have their wealth ‘redistributed’?

Ah this old chestnut... you can't tax billionaires because they'll just leave.

A myth perpetrated by ( you guessed it ) Billionaires themselves.

The Duke of Westminster is worth over £10bn. He owns massive chunks of Mayfair and Belgravia.

Tell me how he's going to take that with him if he leaves the country?

ChattyCatty25 · 04/03/2026 12:57

OrangeAxolotyl · 04/03/2026 12:41

Weirdly, they assume that all Israelis are white.
There are Arab Israelis, Muslims, Christians, Druze, Bedouin... however, that doesn't suit their narrative.

Also, nearly half Israeli Jews are Mizrahi - originating from the Arab world, where they were expelled from and can’t realistically go back. They don’t tend to look white.

With 21% of Israelis being Arabs (Palestinians who assimilated) that leaves only a minority of Israeli citizens being Ashkenazi - those with recent history in Eastern/Central Europe, and who woke idiots are therefore accusing of being white colonizers.

OrangeAxolotyl · 04/03/2026 13:01

ChattyCatty25 · 04/03/2026 12:57

Also, nearly half Israeli Jews are Mizrahi - originating from the Arab world, where they were expelled from and can’t realistically go back. They don’t tend to look white.

With 21% of Israelis being Arabs (Palestinians who assimilated) that leaves only a minority of Israeli citizens being Ashkenazi - those with recent history in Eastern/Central Europe, and who woke idiots are therefore accusing of being white colonizers.

Absolutely. The level of ignorance surrounding Israel really is astonishing.
Someone on another thread thought that Gaza had been occupied by the Israelis since 1948!
I said "look up Egyptian military occupation"!
Such idiocy!

RollOnSunshine · 04/03/2026 13:04

I am terrified that our next government is going to be a Green and Labour coalition. As if the current shit show are not bad enough.

raspberets · 04/03/2026 13:05

ChattyCatty25 · 04/03/2026 12:57

Also, nearly half Israeli Jews are Mizrahi - originating from the Arab world, where they were expelled from and can’t realistically go back. They don’t tend to look white.

With 21% of Israelis being Arabs (Palestinians who assimilated) that leaves only a minority of Israeli citizens being Ashkenazi - those with recent history in Eastern/Central Europe, and who woke idiots are therefore accusing of being white colonizers.

Can you explain the math again? 50% + 21% = 71%
is that right?