To think this is utterly disgusting?!?

[LucyWestenra]

What is wrong with people??

Talk about adding insult to injury!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15602697/amp/Green-Party-spin-doctor-denies-women-raped-October-7-attacks.html

You keep asking for proof, yet its been provided. Women and men were raped on October 7th. Simple as that. If you read the Dinah report and other investigations women were raped and killed, genital mutilation, shot through the genital area after, women without bottom clothing dead on the floor, broken pelvis areas, tied to poles, shall I go on!

Yes on MN 'of all places' because this is predominantly a site for mothers, women. Denying rape is a very poor look.

Rape is never, ever, resistance. Rape is always wrong.

Have a read @magnetic clocks.

Actually your post is not acceptable 'How could people celebrate things which they say did not happen?"

Well rapes did happen. Just because 'some people ' say they didn't happen, doesn't make it true.

There is no "group" situation going on.

We are all just individuals posting our views on an online forum.

I'm posting as an individual.

No idea what 'group' you are talking about, unless, it's a random group of individuals appalled at rape denial.

Good speech from Camilla about solidarity and support for women who are victims of sexual violence. She was very direct 💐.

I haven't seen that yet. Thank you for sharing, I'll look out for it.

An excellent speech and very appropriate for the topic on this thread.

Thank you. Found it.

"When we live in a culture of silence, we empower violence against women and girls," she said. Her speech also called for more positive influences on young men, including in social media. "It is in the online space where boys and young men absorb many of the values they will carry through until adulthood."

I have read it. Have you?

There was no pot kettle black going on.

You are misunderstanding and I don't mind explaining again.

If they said there were no rapes, how could they be celebrating rapes?

It is your error and happyface's error here. I think you should both think before you post.

You are saying you are a random group, you have never posted alongside the same people on MN? Or you are frequently posting alongside the same people on MN on multiple threads and agreeing with everything they say?
Genuine questions

No error on my part and no need for you to repeat ad nauseum. Perhaps you should think before you post when a number of other posters state that you are in the wrong!

Read her post again: 'I'm posting as an individual'. Couldn't be clearer.

Gosh, what are you not getting?! Hamas, a proscribed terrorist group, have said there were no rapes. This doesn't make it so, in light of all the evidence. They are lying. You also don't believe they were celebrating the rapes, again despite the pictorial, anecdotal and video evidence. I can't make it any clearer. Hamas, as well as being murderous terrorists, also lie.

If they said there were no rapes, how could they be celebrating rapes?

They could have committed rapes, celebrated them and later tried to claim to the rest of the world they didn’t happen.

Obviously.

They might have SAID "there were no rapes" however, they were clearly incorrect, since there WERE RAPES.

'THEY' got it wrong.

@Twiglets1 @inamarina I am finding this exchange really distasteful, but I do think this needs to be pushed back on. The other poster said "I can assure you there are people who don't give a monkeys that Jewish men and women were raped and some even celebrated it happening even on 8 October 2023 immediately after they had taken place". On 8 October Hamas said that the accusations of rape and decapitating babie and other things were fake news or false flag. This is not about "did they rape" or "do you believe them". It is about the fact that Palestinians celebrating what they saw as a Hamas victory would not be celebrating something Hamas had said they hadn't done.

I have also pointed out that people who are talking about evidence are not denying rape, they are saying that Israel used information like this to justify flattening Palestine. I am not giving personal views here. Yet you (plural) keep ignoring that, refuse to discuss it and keep insisting that it is rape denial and disgusting. Meaning that anyone who says that they think Israel gave fake information/could have been culpable etc and that this is relevant to what happened next are silenced by you (plural) instead of being able to raise concerns about what is happening in a geopolitical sense and the risk it poses to everyone.

And I have said upthread that it is a well researched issue and in some cases admitted that incorrect information has been given by governments in the past in order to justify wars - here I am thinking about ww1 and Britain, or the Iraq weapons of mass destruction, just as examples. The fact that it is Israel which is involved this time shouldn't stop any of us from questioning every aspect of what has happened.

I think you might be misunderstanding the discussion generaly, but I have responded more fully to twiglets and inamarina about this, and it also applies to what you have written here.

Seems like certain posters don't get it @Crunt

Goodness, what a stretch. Are you often prone to suggest people say things they didn't. You've gone off at a tangent from the thread discussion and comments about whether there were or were not rapes. A massive tangent bringing in things not discussed.

I think I'll leave it at my comments:

There were rapes.

Some people deny it. They are disgusting.

The Green Party spokesperson make some tweets. She was challenged on them, over whether there was proof of rapes. (The thread topic). She was robustly challenged on those views. She deleted her tweets, but didn't apologise. If she is happy with her accuracy (in what she originally stated) why delete. She was wrong, hence her deleting the tweets. However, no apology issued.

Enjoy your day.

(Rape is never resistance, it's an evil crime, whoever does it).

Indeed.

I have not asked for evidence.

I have explained to you that people who say "there is no evidence" are not denying rape. They are talking about information coming from the Israel state and how it was used to justify flattening Gaza. It is not "utterly disgusting" to do that.

This is a site for mothers and mothers care about the world their children are growing up in.

Have you watched the report I linked? Why do you think there is a conflict in information?