To think prisoners should be safe in prison?

[BlueJuniper94]

Is this an unreasonable belief? I know Ian Huntley committed horrific crimes and I really do sympathise with the feelings that he deserves it in light of what his victims have suffered and continue to suffer.

BUT - this shouldn't be allowed to happen in prisons. Aibu?

WearyAuldWumman · Today 15:37

The problem is that the only way of ensuring that would be to have all prisoners in isolation all the time. I believe that that was how things were handled in the Soviet Union.

In the Gulag, they were mostly held in barracks. Solitary was for badly behaved prisoners and political prisoners under questioning, or awaiting trial.

Top of the pile were working class murderers and robbers, politicals were a small step above paedophiles and other abusers. Thieves in law who had raped and murdered also had high status, for being "real men."

Even child murder could gain status, if the killer was in an accredited criminal guild and the victim was the child of an informer, or police / judge, who had put them away.

Criminal guilds long predated the Soviets.

(Sorry for thd digression).

I have no sympathy for him but I think you are completely correct OP.

But would you care if you didn't have a relative in prison?

It's like the "she's a mother/sister/wife/daughter...." thing when we talk about MVAWAG. Their relationship to someone else shouldn't matter. And it's the same with prisoners. They should be safe (as possibe).

I hope your relative is ok (under whatever circs)

I'm not going to celebrate Huntley getting attacked and I'm certainly not going to applaud his attacker.
However I think 10 year old girls should be safe, and if that means putting dangerous men like Huntley into a cage full of other dangerous psychopaths, then so be it.
Prison will always be dangerous and violent precisely because it's full of dangerous and violent men. Don't want to go to prison and be unsafe? Don't murder kids.

I completely agree with this.

It's mad that some of the most dangerous criminals in the country are being held in prisons with ready access to metal bars to swing around. How the hell are the guards expected to defend themselves against that?

Couldn't care less if Huntley dies, but in general yes prisons should be safe for everyone in them. They never will be though.

Honestly I’d save your concern for those who aren’t criminals. There’s plenty more deserving things worthy of your attention.

I'd prefer people to be safe on our streets rather than violent prisoners being safe in prison. I hate all the news coverage this is getting. Huntley and the man who attacked him are the scum of the earth and I have no sympathy.

Many American states still have the death penalty. It's much more expensive than a life sentence, does not act as a deterrent and is fraught with ethical issues.

You’re completely right, op.

feel for the doctors and nurses treating him ....you reep what you sow..

Daft statement. I've worked in the prison service and it undermines prison discipline letting prisoners take the law into their own hands.

No. He is pure evil and people like him should expect what he's got over the years. Perhaps that will be a deterrent.

YANBU. We send people to prison as punishment, not for punishment.

The cost of keeping animals like this in prison is absolutely massive - I would vote for the death penalty for this reason alone - Huntley, Couzens, Bellfield, Adebolajo, Huntley, Rudakubana and the like are apart from being pure evil are a complete drain on our society.

Some of us can be concerned about more than one thing at once. I am also concerned about the safety of prison officers who have to deal with situations like this.

I do feel sorry for the staff at the RVI having to treat him. And the other patients and visitors having him on a side ward.
Frankland prison isn’t a nice place. I wouldn’t be a prison warden for a million pounds!

I couldn't give a shit how safe a child murder and rapist feels. The prison do their best but it's full of violent criminals so yes it's not as safe seeming as the outside world. If you don't like it there then stop committing serious crime.

The nastiest regimes tend to have the nastiest prisons. That does not deter crime.

How many people are you comfortable with the state killing in error?

I highly doubt he was attacked because of his crime. He was attacked because hes living with evil scum like himself. Its nothing to do with prisoners taking the law into their own hands, just like Huntley wasn't 'taking the law into his own hands' when murdering 2 innocent little girls.

There is a lot we can do to keep out of trouble when we are free and in the general population. In prison you are deprived of your freedom and as such it is the states responsibility to ensure your safety

What should Holly and Jessica have done to stay safe? Not gone to school? Not walked to the shops?

Huntley is where he is BECAUSE of the free choices he made.

I'm sorry but I cant have any sympathy for that man regardless of were it happened, he certainly had none for his victims.

At all costs, spend more money to do that. Whose sick kid do you want to take medicine off to do that, what school do you want to shut. What police force do you want to reduce, which families do you want to have struggle more to pay the extra taxes. Our society should be fair to all op. Not just child rapists and murderers.