To think prisoners should be safe in prison?

[BlueJuniper94]

Is this an unreasonable belief? I know Ian Huntley committed horrific crimes and I really do sympathise with the feelings that he deserves it in light of what his victims have suffered and continue to suffer.

BUT - this shouldn't be allowed to happen in prisons. Aibu?

98% of prisoners are completely safe. For the other 2% danger will always be around the corner. And that 2 % deserve just that. Their crimes should not lead to a safe environment to see out their lives. They should live in peril for the rest of their days.
I hope Huntley survives and is able to go back ti his cell to get smashed around the head again. And again
And again

@OonaStubbs So you think prisoners should just kill each other to save money? What a civilised suggestion!

Well, I believe people should be safe on the streets and in their own homes as well, but they’re not so I won’t be losing any sleep about safety in prisons, it’s low down on a list of things that need fixing. There is a special place in hell for people who hurt other people and especially those who hurt children. They should be made to do hard labour anyway, not sat in a prison watching tv and reading books.

But he spent years in a Siberian prison in the 19th century and wasn’t widely travelled at that point. Someone else wrote that the degree of civilisation in a society can be measured by how we treat our animals.

Both measures have some credit imho 👍

Well prisons are not safe. They are full of criminals and a lot of very nasty people of course. In a perfrct world Huntley should not have been attacked but then I don't have any sympathy either.

Yes....I CERTAINLY WOULD!

Posts like this on Mumsnet really does bring out the best in people!!!
His punishment was life in prison, not anything else. Not to be beaten up or have his eyeballs removed or his skin flayed off and be covered in vinegar or any other horrible punishment the best medieval minds in Britain can conjure up.
I'm glad we live in a society where we don't murder, torture or maim our citizens, no matter how bad the crime. To celebrate when vigilantes do those things is abhorrent.
I'm sure the citizens of several countries get very worked up when a woman only gets 50 lashes for uncovering her head and they think she should be stoned to death instead. If you'd like to go live in such a barbaric country where more physical punishments are meted out, go fill your boots. If not respect the laws of this country.

Generally l would say yes, people should be safe in prison but for the people committing the most heinous crimes against little children i.e torturing and killing little children they deserve everything that they get, l am talking about Emma Tustin, the killer of little Star Hobson and others, those people should live in fear for the rest of their miserable lifes and l don't want to spend my taxes to protect them as they are evil.

No idea where those 'stats' are from. Violence in prisons is a major problem with all numbers going up. 352 incidences per 1000 inmates in male prisons and 644 per 1000 in female prisons. I very much doubt all those people were child murders who 'deserved it' given the majority of people are in prison for non violent crime. If anything the ones who 'deserve it' are probably the safest as at least they're acknowledged as high risk and steps usually taken to protect them.

Yes, people should be safe in prisons. And in hospitals, in schools, in the street...

Sadly, that is not the world we live in. It isn't ok but no government is going to allocate sufficient resources to it.

Prisons must be hell to control. Filled with dangerous men who are trapped together.

Your stats will be padded out with minor incidents between prisoners.

However, it’s irrespective. This thread is based on Ian Huntley. He gave up any right to safety/comfort/peace the day he abused and murdered 2 innocent school children.

His fate does not have any relation to a debate on prison safety.

Many feel a life in prison is not really enough though.
It's not exactly a hard life in there is it.

X box, books, food, gym. Visits, phone calls. If prison wasn't so soft people might feel a bit differently.

Two little girls should have been safe too.

For crying out loud

The punishment is the deprivation of liberty

Stop reading the daily mail

Yes you are living in la la land it isnt even ‘safe’ in the outside community living among criminals like that. When you place them all in one confined space with a lack of resources like funding and staff it’s bound to be even more unsafe for them. Apparently you can go to prison as a petty criminal and come out ‘hardened’ which should be a deterrent for people not to be stupid

We turn into barbarians if we celebrate the attack on IH.

The glee at what happened here is nauseating. IH is just well known, he’s by no means a complete outlier and the worst person behind bars. If anything the person who attacked him is arguably worse. So what then we don’t bother to try and instil some kind of order in prisons? Just let them all beat the shit out of each other? Most prisoners aren’t in there forever they’ll get out. What could possibly go wrong for society when they are released having spent years where everyone just thumps each other constantly?

And what about prison officers? Does their wellbeing not count?

The murderer who attacked him wasn’t thinking about the 2 little girls Huntley killed, though. It wasn’t an act of vengeance at all.

True. Although both Huntley and his attacker are on whole life orders so that doesn’t apply here.

But he didn't forgo those 'rights' and his fate is significant to the wider debate of prisoner safety. All prisoners in the UK retain their fundamental human rights and are protected under a common law duty of care. Imprisonment restricts an inmates liberty (the punishment) but does not remove their right to personal safety.

What ludicrous comparisons you make.

Ian Huntley is a paedophile who abused and murdered 2 young children who had gone out to buy sweets.

Your desire and celebration of the protection of him and his ilk is worrying in the extreme.

There are crimes and then there is evil incarnate.

If his suffering makes another would be monster think twice, instead of your desire for their safety, then shout it from the rooftops

Aye, that's true, but I suppose some good's come from the evil, murdering bastard. His life can end now as well as far as I'm concerned, though.

There isn’t a wider debate. The overwhelming majority of prisoners are perfectly safe.

The attack on Huntley, however it offends you, is an extreme minority.

Why it would trouble anyone of right mind is beyond comprehension