This country is doomed

[HappyFace2025]

While the vote in Gorton and Denton may be described as a 'protest' vote the strength of both the Greens and Reform performance is something to worry all of us not just Labour.

Where to start? 🤔

'How is the Greens got anything to do with the left?'

Sorry? Are you asking what left wing politics is? And also saying the greens are insane?

I agree with you too. Looking at the social media Labour are so bad at it they are just ridiculed.

Are you having trouble thinking of something?

The demonisation of the left has been happening for decades. Remember when Ed Miliband, about as milquetoast a moderate-left social democrat as you could imagine, was labelled RED ED by the tabloids? Laughable. They should have interviewed his mother to find out what being proper left was about.

Calling current Labour centrist would be generous indeed given their flirtations with (and sometimes embrace of) far-right rhetoric.

What sticks out though? Name one thing.

Are you for real? BoJo was a clown, he had zero respect.

Yes as real as you.

Look at the SM feeds and comments. Labour get destroyed on there. Greens are liked, and Kemi.

Yes was asking what left is to you.

PP and I are obviously recognising something in reform and greens which we dont like - I am going to assume populist extremism, authoritarianism, absolutism. I think they both sound quite dangerous.

PP was trying to talk about that and all it came back with was a comment about left and centre. So I was asking what parts of green make that a leftist party to you. I am not trying to argue with you. It’s subjective anyway so there is no right or wrong. I was just interested.

So I was asking what parts of green make that a leftist party to you.

If you read Hannah Spencer’s acceptance speech all will become clear.

The Greens are basically Communists. The Scottish Greens are even more hard left.

Yes I have listened to it. That’s really not far off what Nigel says with the underlying message ‘work doesn’t pay’

It’s a million miles from Farage. Wealth tax, more housing, improved public services, cohesive communities. It couldn’t be more different.

I haven't heard it yet.
Did she mention legalising all drugs, self ID, and declaring zionism racist? Or is the extreme stuff being saved for another day?

The Scottish Greens are pushing for a wealth tax on everyone who has assets over £1 million. That sum includes pension pots and houses. I have roughly £1.35m so they want £13,500 per annum on top of the roughly £48,000 income tax I'm already paying. As I'm Scotland my headline rate of tax is 67.5 %.

What incentive is there to build up a pension pot if it is going to be attacked like that? Or to even try to earn a wage that puts you in the higher bands.

I was saying that it shows how centrist labour has become, that by comparison the Greens look extreme left. Because if you actually look at their policies, like rent controls, building more social housing, renationalising water, investing in SEND education and support services...it's all pretty typical left stuff

The Scottish Greens are very slightly left of centre - as are the SNP. Nothing like the communist party.

Oh ha, ha, ha. The Scottish Greens are extreme, hard line left.

The England and Wales Green Party wants a wealth tax of 1% for assets over £10 million and 2% for billionaires. I think it’s entirely reasonable.

Oh ha ha yourself. Don't talk absolute rubbish - and I don't even vote for them. Evidence your claims that they are "hard left"

Are they left of the Snp? Corbyn? Stalin?

Have you ever lived under a communist regime?

It might be typical left stuff in one sense, but the UK hasn't had a fully left wing govt since pre Thatcher the 1970s, so it would be quite a radical departure in many ways.

You choose to ignore the Scottish Greens policy - Do you think it's "entirely reasonable" they should help themselves to roughly £13,500 per annum out of my pension pot until it drops below £1 million?

Thanks for explaining 😊

The Scottish Greens are way to the left of the SNP. Did you miss the bit about the wealth tax on assets over £1 million? And they include pension pots in that.

I don’t live in Scotland so it’s a matter of indifference to me what parties north of the border choose to do. In any event it’s a tax on assets over £1 million, so £3.5k in your particular case.