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This country is doomed

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HappyFace2025 · 27/02/2026 08:29

While the vote in Gorton and Denton may be described as a 'protest' vote the strength of both the Greens and Reform performance is something to worry all of us not just Labour.

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TheDaysAreGettingLongerAtLast · 04/03/2026 20:18

Leftieinthewild · 04/03/2026 20:02

It didn't deserve rational and thoughtful. Stoking hate never does.

And I presume anyone who has an opinion differing from your own is "stoking hate".

Personally, I don't value the opinion of anyone who plays the "hate" card instead of putting forward a counter argument.

Name-calling is childish, lazy and frankly tiring at this point.

JustSomeWaferThinHam · 04/03/2026 22:09

Leftieinthewild · 04/03/2026 19:18

Well thats a crap analysis. Far right propaganda at it's finest. Straight out of the MAGA playbook

Are you sure they aren't eating all the pets as well?

Can you specify exactly which nuts you think are ‘crap’ and why?

Why are you accusing Lebanese people of talking ‘crap’? The guys I met when I visited said similar things.

JustSomeWaferThinHam · 04/03/2026 22:13

Which *bits - stupid autocorrect

JustSomeWaferThinHam · 04/03/2026 22:16

Leftieinthewild · 04/03/2026 20:02

It didn't deserve rational and thoughtful. Stoking hate never does.

It’s ok to say you have no reasoned response to this. Maybe take some time out and reflect on your views a bit further so you are better able to flesh out your arguments?

I’d be interested in your thoughts.

Mugsey62 · 08/03/2026 09:30

JustSomeWaferThinHam · 04/03/2026 19:11

I read this today. It echoes what a number of Lebanese and others are saying. It sounds worryingly familiar. Have we got a capacity to heed the warning?

Britain Is Sleepwalking Into Lebanon.

Lebanon did not fall overnight. It was once the most cosmopolitan, pluralist state in the Arab world. Beirut was the Paris of the Middle East. A functioning democracy. A free press. A Christian majority that built a nation generous enough to welcome those who came. It believed that openness would be met with openness. That tolerance would be reciprocated. That good faith was a universal language. It wasn't. It never is.

The Palestinians arrived after 1948 and in their hundreds of thousands after 1970, expelled from Jordan with their militias intact. The Lebanese state, too timid to enforce its own sovereignty, allowed armed factions to operate as a state within a state. Then Iran exported its revolution westward and Hezbollah was born, funded from Tehran, running its own hospitals, schools, courts and welfare networks. It made the Lebanese state optional for an entire community. Every accommodation encouraged the next demand. Every retreat was read as weakness, because it was.

The civil war that followed lasted fifteen years and killed 150,000 people. But the war was merely the violent expression of something that had already happened. The state had lost its monopoly on violence. Communities had retreated into armed confessional blocs. The centre had hollowed out. Lebanon was already two countries sharing a flag but not a future.

The Christians didn't lose because they were cruel. They lost because they were naive. They believed demographic generosity could be squared with political stability. They believed armed factions could be absorbed into a civic order. Power follows population. Identity hardens under pressure. Every community with a coherent creed will eventually act on its interests. The moral high ground is not a defence. In Lebanon it became a grave marker.

Now look at Britain.

Since 2018, boats have arrived on the Kent coast carrying tens of thousands of men, the overwhelming majority unvetted and undocumented, from Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Eritrea. They are housed and supported at public expense while the state performs the pantomime of processing them. Anyone who raises the subject is accused of racism before the sentence is finished. This is not immigration. It is the progressive dissolution of Britain's right to determine who enters its own territory.

The parallel institutions are already here. Sharia courts operating alongside civil law. Educational environments teaching loyalty to the Ummah rather than to Britain. Areas where policing is negotiation, investigations are quietly dropped, and the state modifies its own behaviour for fear of communal reaction. In Lebanon they called it accommodation. They kept calling it accommodation right up until the checkpoints went up.

The electoral bloc pressure is already here. Candidates selected on the basis of foreign conflicts. Representatives answering to communal leaderships rather than constituents. The institutional failure is already here. The Charity Commission investigated the Islamic Centre of England for three years. Little changed. Universities host vigils for mass murderers and hold nobody accountable. Prevent is applied selectively. Everyone knows it. Nobody says it.

Lebanon did not collapse because its enemies were strong. It collapsed because its institutions were weak. Because it confused tolerance with the abandonment of standards. Because it believed the centre would hold without anyone holding it. Britain is not Lebanon yet. But Lebanon wasn't Lebanon yet, once. It drifted. Demographics shifted. Parallel loyalties hardened. The state lost the nerve to enforce a single standard of law. Bit by bit the centre hollowed out.

We are drifting. The question is whether anyone in authority will admit it. Before the drift becomes a current too strong to swim against.

"Power follows population. Identity hardens under pressure. Every community with a coherent creed will eventually act on its interests."

Well we are now collaborating with the orangutan in chief (sorry orangutans) in illegally carpet bombing a sovereign state so expect an awful lot more asylum seekers pitching up on our shores in the near future. You don't think the destabilisation of the West's 20+ year war in Afghanistan had anything to do with people arriving on the Kent coast in small boats?

RafaistheKingofClay · 08/03/2026 10:41

I thought that refugees were supposed to go to the nearest safe country and stop there. Isn’t that what’s always said? Now we’re going to start worrying that taking all the refugees in one country is a problem for that country.

Mugsey62 · 08/03/2026 14:01

RafaistheKingofClay · 08/03/2026 10:41

I thought that refugees were supposed to go to the nearest safe country and stop there. Isn’t that what’s always said? Now we’re going to start worrying that taking all the refugees in one country is a problem for that country.

There is going to be a huge number of asylum seekers and displaced people created by trumps attack on Iran.

PrettyDamnCosmic · 08/03/2026 14:55

RafaistheKingofClay · 08/03/2026 10:41

I thought that refugees were supposed to go to the nearest safe country and stop there. Isn’t that what’s always said? Now we’re going to start worrying that taking all the refugees in one country is a problem for that country.

Refugees are fleeing conflict. They can claim asylum in whichever country they like. It's not just the first they come to as that country would become chock full of refugees. Turkey for example is hosting over four million refugees who have fled Syria/Iraq/Iran but many others have travelled further through Turkey into Europe before claiming asylum.

BIossomtoes · 09/03/2026 09:11

Thanks for that @WaryCrow. What a depressing read.

Skybunnee · 09/03/2026 12:46

Misses some very huge points and as for the deindustrialised north getting a new lease of life -what -growing olives ???😂😂

that makes no sense to me - but what is happening where I live in Scotland windfarms are destroying and industrialising swathes of countryside where tourism is the biggest industry. Many parts of the north could develop their tourist industry but pointless I’d Ed M has his way.

Skybunnee · 09/03/2026 12:49

And it’s not the idiots in power but the idiots that vote for lifting children out of poverty and keeping the triple lock so there’s no money to develop military goods, no research money making pharma to sell (£££££), no development of A.I. to sell to the world - just borrowed money to give to the nhs.
or taxing ‘the rich’ so they clear off elsewhere

WaryCrow · 09/03/2026 13:01

That’s a lot of very different issues you’re lumping into one there. Possibly because of our ridiculously binary political system. All quite complex issues in themselves too.

WaryCrow · 09/03/2026 13:03

One issue stands out though, in rejecting those areas you are I take it clearly in favour of might is right and letting the wealthiest take over everything.

You can, to cut a long story short, fottfsofawygtfosm with that. How do you expect people to react out of curiosity?

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