To think Queen Elizabeth's legacy is going to be seriously harmed by this?

[Gymnopedie]

I mean I doubt he bounded into the palace shouting 'you'll never guess what I did last week'. He will massively have played down the extent of his friendship with Epstein and may even at times have lied about where he was when he was away. It seems his protection officers have some serious questions to answer around this. I doubt anyone in the RF had anything like the full picture. But QE stood by him and I can't see her coming out of this well.

Well I was never a fan anyway. Can't understand this worship of the royal family

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/andrew-accused-watching-girl-tortured-36746315.amp

You can go into Windsor castle all year round. BP is already being open for increasingly longer periods and I can foresee it will be open year round at some point.

I believe his siblings, the Palace's professional staff, his security, all knew he was the scum he is.

That picture of him with a child and a ball in the shape of a breast is positively chilling.

What occurred on Palace grounds?
Frogmore cottage?
Trafficking of women into the Palace?

They gambled 12 million that they could shut it down.

It is a shocking stain that will not be forgotten.
Absolute corruption.

I do have sympathy for any family member who was genuinely unaware of his behaviour.
Hard to believe whom that would be as it appears he was widely known to be a complete nasty, entitled waster.

William has already said he won’t live in BP. Like you I think it will be open to the public in his reign and quite possibly the gorgeous gardens will become a public park.

Sandringham £26 per person and Balmoral £18.50 plus all the extras (parking, cafe, gift shop)
Windsor £32 per person
Presumably there are restrictions when the family is in residence

Who really gives a toss if having a royal family does bring in a few quid? Do we want the country to be antiquated theme park, where we are nothing but forelock-tugging 'subjects' of a bunch of inbred wrong 'uns, for the sake of money (and not that much money really). Besides, I went to both the Palace of Versailles and the Pope's palace in Avignon last year and they were both fucking heaving, so the idea that people only go to that sort of place because there's a connection to royalty/power today seems like tosh.

One of the things that struck me as very manipulative was when the Queen decided she wasn't going to get another dog she wasn't going to live long enough for, Andrew went and bought her two puppies.

It strikes me as probably quite representative of their dynamic. The son who "spoiled her back". Tapping into those very immature emotions - puppies! I'll look after them when you die.

What legacy? Not one of them does anything worthy of note.

We are a long way away from the days of QEII's Jubilee or William and Catherine's wedding for sure.

This is the stupidity I can’t actually take. You are not close to your Mum and you compare that to the Royal family with a massive team behind them. Give me a break. If the Queen didn’t know, that is a massive waste of taxpayers resources.

The queen absolutely could have refused the advice to prorogue parliament. She was educated about constitutional matters from the age of 10. When it was judicially reviewed it was an open and shut case in the Supreme Court. It was the one thing that she was supposed to do in her otherwise symbolic role and she failed.

I've been wondering about Edward. He's certainly kept his distance from the RF.

As if the Queen ever took the slightest interest in her children's friendships 😂

I agree on that

i mentioned it earlier but for those who haven’t watched it tgeDavid Dimpelby 3 part series on the Rf was for me an eye opener , especially all the stuff about the Duchys - it’s a very one sided arrangement sorted ( poorly) by George Osborne - very much all in the RF favour -it’s very much a business - charging the NHS etc for use on their land etc -

I do wonder what she may have known but she's not here to answer that, so just focus on holding the man himself accountable. I very much doubt she knew how far it went. Maybe just saw him as a party boy.

It's like people think a US-based lawyer just saunters up to the Queen's private secretary and says 'I have a client with a story about your kid and that'll be a very public 12m pls'

They know what they paid for.

The Queen must have known what the RF were paying 12m for.

Apparently 7/8m was from QE, 2/3m from Philip and the rest from the wider family. Oh they all knew.

Lets pay up guys, must keep the massive billion pound show on the road!

Arseholes the lot of them.

Andrew is exactly what their like produce when he's not reigned in and thankfully with media coverage today, more lack of deference, he's been investigated. Lets hope it's just the start of investigating the whole murky lot of them.

She didn’t pay the £12m.
The “royal family” did.
By then, Charles was controlling the purse strings for both QEII and PP

She didn’t personally authorise the payment. It came from the “royal family” which Charles was in control of by then.

I saw a confused old woman not understanding why Andrew was being excluded whenever there was a video of the family attending church or some ceremony. Her financial assets were being abused by her own children to try and cover up Andrew’s crimes. We all know Phillip had gone dotty before the millenium.

None of them come out good in any of this.
12 million was damage limitation cash🤮

The point is, the insitution thought that paying VG off would get them out of this trouble. Which tells you everything you need to know. They’ve been burying incriminating evidence for centuries: it’s how they’ve survived (amongst other means). The real question is what else they’ve buried that hasn’t come to light. Hints are all there in the public domain.

The money was paid in 2022 when QE was still alive and every single news report credits her with it. She might have been old but she wasn’t dotty enough to need anyone else to “control the purse strings”. I’d have a lot more sympathy for Giuffre if she’d turned the money down and fought the court case.

VG was probably better taking the money getting a result against the Establishment would be akin to pissing in the wind.