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trappedCatAsleepOnMe · 11/02/2026 11:22

DownhillTeaTray · 11/02/2026 11:18

Good. Please stop policing the rest of us, who can see the truth and read between the lines.

This is where years of mis-reporting gets us.

We've all had to learn to read between the lines - rightly or wrongly - and I have to admit as soon as they acted coy about the sex of shooter I too was thinking trans.

likelysuspect · 11/02/2026 11:24

Crikeyalmighty · 11/02/2026 11:21

Even if it is a man it doesn’t mean it’s a trans person - could be a man using it Asa disguise to be less noticeable around a school - I don’t think you can presume.

Are you seriously proposing that. You felt that was likely enough that you sat and typed that out as a realistic possiblity?

trappedCatAsleepOnMe · 11/02/2026 11:25

Crikeyalmighty · 11/02/2026 11:21

Even if it is a man it doesn’t mean it’s a trans person - could be a man using it Asa disguise to be less noticeable around a school - I don’t think you can presume.

But that never happens.

No man would don a disguise to gain access to vunerable people - we've been hearing that for years when women object to self ID or mixed sex facilities occuring with no consultation.

Crikeyalmighty · 11/02/2026 11:25

DownhillTeaTray · 11/02/2026 11:22

The BC RCMP know who he is. And are calling him a female. It wasn't a "disguise", it was an identity.

You are probably correct - why not say though it was a trans man - I don’t get it, call a spade a spade I say . It will come out anyway.

ThatBlackCat · 11/02/2026 11:26

ChickenCooper · 11/02/2026 11:20

Wikipedia is run by Trans Activists now? Gosh, I wasn't aware. So much information emerging on this thread, it's hard to keep up with the logic.

It's well-known, even on Reddit that trans activists are moderators on Wikipedia. They have themselves admitted to erasing feminist contributions and facts on Gender Ideology. It is notoriously impossible to get fair and unbiased entries on GI on Wiki and the lies about GC feminists and 'TERFs' are horrendous.

Apart from that though, there is a reason Wikipedia isn't allowed to be used as a source in schools or universities. Anyone and everyone can edit it (well, except feminists and GCs).

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/02/2026 11:26

ChickenCooper · 11/02/2026 11:20

Wikipedia is run by Trans Activists now? Gosh, I wasn't aware. So much information emerging on this thread, it's hard to keep up with the logic.

You should look at the editor discussions of any page relating to gender identity.

DownhillTeaTray · 11/02/2026 11:27

Crikeyalmighty · 11/02/2026 11:25

You are probably correct - why not say though it was a trans man - I don’t get it, call a spade a spade I say . It will come out anyway.

And this is where they use language to confuse people. What do you mean by "trans man"?

"Trans identified man" works better. Or TIM for short.

nolongersurprised · 11/02/2026 11:27

trappedCatAsleepOnMe · 11/02/2026 11:22

This is where years of mis-reporting gets us.

We've all had to learn to read between the lines - rightly or wrongly - and I have to admit as soon as they acted coy about the sex of shooter I too was thinking trans.

It used to be the media’s job to inform the public of the truth. When it comes to the sacred caste of trans, the media refuse to tell the truth so many people no longer trust them, unfortunately.

DownhillTeaTray · 11/02/2026 11:28

ChickenCooper · 11/02/2026 11:20

Wikipedia is run by Trans Activists now? Gosh, I wasn't aware. So much information emerging on this thread, it's hard to keep up with the logic.

Oh, you're in for some learning.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 11/02/2026 11:28

Bagsintheboot · 11/02/2026 11:17

I can't keep repeating myself.

We should wait for the formal identification and go from there.

You can wait all you like. The rest can discuss as they see fit (and won’t be shocked at the outcome in the slightest).

ThatBlackCat · 11/02/2026 11:29

Crikeyalmighty · 11/02/2026 11:21

Even if it is a man it doesn’t mean it’s a trans person - could be a man using it Asa disguise to be less noticeable around a school - I don’t think you can presume.

Apparently he has a YouTube channel and he's well known as trans.

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 11/02/2026 11:30

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/02/2026 11:10

They’re not moving anywhere. I made it clear why I think it’s absolutely relevant that a proportion of these men are sitting in their bedsits fantasising about violence against women they disagree with. It IS a problem, whatever biased nonsense you’ve lapped up from the Williams Institute.

Ive already mentioned on this thread and others when other trans identifying people have committed mass shootings that I’m interested in trans identifying women because the proportion is high. It’s not what I would expect, so I’ve been struck by it.

At the risk of boring even myself, what proportion of the US population do you think is trans-identifying and what is your source for that? That is, after all, the sole number I got from the Williams Institute and I'm happy to accept it's wrong if it is indeed wrong. (Weirdly, despite several people falling over themselves to tell me it's biased nonsense, and despite me asking several times now, no-one has so far managed to tell me what source I should be using instead.)

I'll now jog over from the "school shootings perpetrated by all trans-identifying men" to "mass shootings perpetrated by trans-identifying women" pitch. A couple of questions if I may - how many mass shootings, and over which time frame, have you counted as having been perpetrated by women? And what are you counting as a "mass-shooting", because as anyone with the slightest knowledge of gun control arguments is aware that is a VERY contentious point.

DownhillTeaTray · 11/02/2026 11:32

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 11/02/2026 11:30

At the risk of boring even myself, what proportion of the US population do you think is trans-identifying and what is your source for that? That is, after all, the sole number I got from the Williams Institute and I'm happy to accept it's wrong if it is indeed wrong. (Weirdly, despite several people falling over themselves to tell me it's biased nonsense, and despite me asking several times now, no-one has so far managed to tell me what source I should be using instead.)

I'll now jog over from the "school shootings perpetrated by all trans-identifying men" to "mass shootings perpetrated by trans-identifying women" pitch. A couple of questions if I may - how many mass shootings, and over which time frame, have you counted as having been perpetrated by women? And what are you counting as a "mass-shooting", because as anyone with the slightest knowledge of gun control arguments is aware that is a VERY contentious point.

There are so few trans people statistically, supposedly, that the minute one commits a school and/or mass shooting, they are over representing the numbers.

ThatBlackCat · 11/02/2026 11:32

Crikeyalmighty · 11/02/2026 11:25

You are probably correct - why not say though it was a trans man - I don’t get it, call a spade a spade I say . It will come out anyway.

Because a trans man is a female who identifies as a man. The shooter was a transwoman ie a male who identifies as a woman.

Yeah, that's what changing the names of everything does. It deliberately causes confusion and distorts things. It's a feature of the agenda and ideology, not a bug.

AnSolas · 11/02/2026 11:33

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 11/02/2026 10:41

There were 473 school shootings in the US 2019 - 2025 (source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States_(2000%E2%80%93present) ). So far in this thread there's been three, maybe four of those that were perpetrated by trans-identifying people. That's less than 1% of school shootings which even the most innumerate of people wouldn't agree represents "the vast majority".

As for trans-identifying people being "certainly over-represented", there's a range of figures for how many of the US population is trans-identifying but figures of around 1% overall seem common, eg https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/publications/trans-adults-united-states/ although numbers for the age range more likely to shoot up a school tend to be higher. So less than 1% of school shooters are trans-identifying against around 1% of the population identifying as trans. And that, to you, is them being "over-represented", is it?

Keep being scared of what the right-wing grifters tell you to be scared about. Your fears keep them rich.

You know the maths you are quoting needs to be loollked at right?

If the population is
49 % male 51% female

If 1% is the total population

Thats 2 females ( per thread )
and how many males?

Weighted to
2 of how many female killers
? of how many male killers.

This is rather important when male killers are moved from the male class and placed into the female class

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/02/2026 11:34

Can you link the Williams Institute figure please? I want to know how they derived that number - survey/extrapolation etc.

there are lots of different numbers of mass shootings. I’m talking about ones where three or more people have been killed. All experts seem to agree the number of female mass shooters (not just school shooters) is very small. 3 of them are TIFs.

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 11/02/2026 11:35

trappedCatAsleepOnMe · 11/02/2026 11:19

https://k12ssdb.org/all-shootings

There a school shooting data base - though it includes all cases where a gun is fired on school property it says.

It's fucking depressing that someone actaully keeping a database - I assume it's just US based as this is usually very much a US problem with spordic occurances in other countries.

Thank you. According to that, then, 2019 - 2025 there have been 1,726 school shootings. Of which four(?) have so far been identified on this thread as being perpetrated by trans-identifying people.

Apparently 4 out of 1,726 is an overwhelming majority for some people.

likelysuspect · 11/02/2026 11:35

DownhillTeaTray · 11/02/2026 11:27

And this is where they use language to confuse people. What do you mean by "trans man"?

"Trans identified man" works better. Or TIM for short.

I think there was some research about this in the UK, wasnt there some issue with this on a census or some formal system somewhere, where huge swathes of communities in London where English was not their first language identified as trans some how because of the wording of something

Probably not making any sense, I read it on this forum at some point

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 11/02/2026 11:36

DownhillTeaTray · 11/02/2026 11:32

There are so few trans people statistically, supposedly, that the minute one commits a school and/or mass shooting, they are over representing the numbers.

I think I'll just copy-and-paste:

At the risk of boring even myself, what proportion of the US population do you think is trans-identifying and what is your source for that?

Bigcat25 · 11/02/2026 11:36

daysofpearlyspencer · 11/02/2026 08:30

Unfortunately, self identification is enshrined in law in Canada, the trans lobby is extremely powerful there, they are calling the killer a gun person rather than mis gender him. The correct pronouns usage is way more important than dead children apparently.....

Oh come on. All that's being talked about here is gender ideology, same as you criticize them for.

DownhillTeaTray · 11/02/2026 11:38

likelysuspect · 11/02/2026 11:35

I think there was some research about this in the UK, wasnt there some issue with this on a census or some formal system somewhere, where huge swathes of communities in London where English was not their first language identified as trans some how because of the wording of something

Probably not making any sense, I read it on this forum at some point

Yes, to the extent that the Office For National Statistics has unaccredited that question. Language matters!

We consider that there is sufficient evidence that the gender identity question in the census has underperformed, with some groups of people being more likely than others to misunderstand the question.

https://osr.statisticsauthority.gov.uk/news/osr-publishes-its-final-report-on-the-review-of-the-statistics-collected-on-gender-identity-during-the-england-and-wales-census/

OSR Publishes its Final Report on the Review of the Statistics Collected on Gender Identity During the England and Wales Census

The Office for Statistics Regulation (OSR) has published its final report on the review of statistics on gender identity, based on data collected as part of the 2021 England and Wales Census. During our engagement on this review, the Office for Nation...

https://osr.statisticsauthority.gov.uk/news/osr-publishes-its-final-report-on-the-review-of-the-statistics-collected-on-gender-identity-during-the-england-and-wales-census

likelysuspect · 11/02/2026 11:39

I dont know about school or mass shootings in terms of representation but men who say they are women are hugely over represented in the prison population, per head in terms of sexual offenses against women.

You are at more risk from a man who says he is a woman, than a man who says he is a man.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/02/2026 11:39

I wasn’t actually talking about their population figure being biased, but I am interested in where it comes from. I think 1% of the population is probably a bit of a stretch, personally. But it’s hard to know the true figure.

likelysuspect · 11/02/2026 11:39

DownhillTeaTray · 11/02/2026 11:38

Yes, to the extent that the Office For National Statistics has unaccredited that question. Language matters!

We consider that there is sufficient evidence that the gender identity question in the census has underperformed, with some groups of people being more likely than others to misunderstand the question.

https://osr.statisticsauthority.gov.uk/news/osr-publishes-its-final-report-on-the-review-of-the-statistics-collected-on-gender-identity-during-the-england-and-wales-census/

I knew I'd read it somewhere

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/02/2026 11:39

I think they are biased in how they frame gender identity ideology and all that flows from it.