Do friends of rich people have no shame?

[NotDarkGothicMama]

Reading about the Epstein files, the first thing that struck me was the awful photo of Andrew kneeling over what looks like a very young woman, looking extremely pervy.

The second thing was the emails from people like Fergie and Peter Madelson's husband asking for money. "I need 20 grand for rent, today." "I need 10 grand for an osteopath course." Have they no shame whatsoever? Surely if you're friends with a rich person, you're very careful not to mention financial needs so they don't think you're only after their cash? Let alone actually ask for handouts!

How extraordinary that he kept on asking? Not taking No for an answer first time.

Wasn't Mandelson the architect of New Labour?

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Great points from PP. I think the fact they felt comfortable asking for money speaks to how they knew what he was up to, and that he needed their aura to continue his game. All transactional. Also, Fergie and Andrew would never think their daughters were at risk! They were aristos, not the poor disposable girls Epstein was trafficking. It wouldn't cross their minds that their daughters were in the same group. And it wouldn't have crossed Epsteins mind either. He dehumanised the women he trafficked, they all did.

If you read about Andrew and Fergie, their entire lives have been based on persuading dodgy rich people to give them money. It’s not about being friends of rich people- it’s about being a venal little toad.

Cheeky fucker syndrome exists in all society's. I'd imagine that it is all part of being spoilt rotten inside and out.
High society disgusting entitlement. I don't believe that it is normal behaviour for the majority of rich people.
The files are sickening.

Oh, I agree. This was one aspect that struck me as particularly odd and completely different to what I think of as normal behaviour. Same as if I saw one of the royals in Waitrose: pretend you hadn't noticed them and leave them be, rather than bowing and scraping and gushing all over them.

Which people are despicable and vile? As far as I can see, the only Epstein associates to have faced any consequences have been Maxwell, Andrew, Fergie and Mandelson. Andrew seems to be the one daft enough to be on the front pages. A handy distraction. Where's everyone else?! Why does no one remember anything?

I hardly think feudalism, communism or any other economic system is free of graft. There's always someone with 'more' and someone trying to get some of it.

I also find the tone of some of the emails bizarre - all “you’re my best friend ever” “what a super duper chap you are (even though you’ve just been released from prison for unspeakable behaviour”
Who writes shit like that to friends? It’s vomit inducing.

Very well put.
They aren't friends. They are mutually beneficial contacts. Epstein was a master at what he did. He drew in so many of the rich and powerful to his vile circle.
You can't even attempt to compare them to normal friendships @NotDarkGothicMama

They are evil.

The Police should reopen the case of the murdered Latvian woman whose body was found near Andrew Mountbatten’s estate.

There are people who knew what Andrew was up to and have been covering for him for years.

All these emails are so fucking … bizarre! Could there be some kind of code going on? I mean, osteopathy?

We do that as well, have a very wealthy family member and whenever we visit them we spend a fortune to try and not appear as freeloaders.

I’ve not heard about this. Can you link to info? Thank u.

^^ this

These requests for cash were bribe payments for Mandy's influence , surely. As well as fergies requests for cash, the same.

That’s what I can’t get my head around.

Imagine forgetting someone had given you 75k!

if you choose to believe they actually ‘forgot’ , then it means that asking people for cash must be a regular occurrence!

Oh I think we’re all judging the being friends with a paedophile! and worse, knowing what he was doing and being complicit. No doubt that’s the main story, but it doesn’t mean the smaller details aren’t interesting.

the asking for money is one of those odd details that hints at why Epstein was able to get away with it.

OP asking questions about these seemingly ‘small’ things can actually provoke interesting responses and a deeper understanding of the psychology of this involved

I want to know where are all the other people, why just Andrew, Fergie and Mandelson?

And that photo of Andrew kneeling down, I wouldn’t have recognised him and it does slightly look as if he is checking on someone passed out on the floor. Not saying he is innocent but I want them to concentrate on other people too

Quite!

@Wafflesandcrepesyou think Farage isn’t doing exactly the same with Trump and god knows who else? It’s not the party it’s the little perverted men !

I thought exactly the same. my husabnd had a lot of money and didnt let me use small sums when needed but Mandelson surely had 10K if my teacher husband has £80 K stashed away

anybody CAN be entitled people - it is easy to be, entitled
If that IS the persona you want to create for yourself - entitled

Well the whole set-up was completely repulsive. The repulsive rich friends leeching off the repulsive peodaphile was just one aspect of it. I imagine the King is feeling relieved he acted when he did with respect to Andrew.

No shame. Because they're not accountable.

And the plebs still line up to meet them. Shame on the stupid plebs.

Do you 'do' Duolingo by any chance?!!