Do friends of rich people have no shame?

[NotDarkGothicMama]

Reading about the Epstein files, the first thing that struck me was the awful photo of Andrew kneeling over what looks like a very young woman, looking extremely pervy.

The second thing was the emails from people like Fergie and Peter Madelson's husband asking for money. "I need 20 grand for rent, today." "I need 10 grand for an osteopath course." Have they no shame whatsoever? Surely if you're friends with a rich person, you're very careful not to mention financial needs so they don't think you're only after their cash? Let alone actually ask for handouts!

I agree re Andrew. It’s as if when the heat is on others they release a few Andrew pics. He’s expendable, the royal family can’t protect him as the relationship with America is being put above everything else by government. The one person who isn’t being embarrassed right now is Trump and I don’t believe that’s because no compromising pictures of him exist.

AMW and SF’s lives are already ruined. Sad though that they have been the scapegoats and people like Trump and Gates get away with it plus all the other nameless people who are too powerful to be exposed.

If 30 years ago you’d have said that the future POTUS is a proven sexually deviant rapist and FLOTUS is a trafficked hooker then people would’ve laughed. I can’t believe how far America has fallen and all this was known anyway but they still voted for him. 🤷‍♀️

Sure as hell King Charles was tipped of about what was coming in those papers, wasn't he?

I'm expecting Andrew to claim the new photos were from a CPR course!

Eh?

This.

Apologies if this has been said already but these people are also thick as mince. I saw Fergie at an event a few years ago and she was on another planet in terms of her sense of entitlement to people's time and attention - it was a book event and though she may call herself an 'author' and have enough simps around her to let her believe it, her behaviour was that of a tedious toddler. And that's being very unkind to toddlers. Utter moron. I think it's that combination of being very stupid and very privileged that brings out the worst in people - a sense of being beyond the rules of the plebs but with no intelligence to question themselves. They are truly a waste of skin, all of them.

I am going to repeat what I said earlier. Is it not possible to be both outraged and question the smaller details as a matter of curiosity? Are we so single minded that we can only either be outraged at Epstein and his friends OR question how these sort of things happen (like asking your wealthy mate for rent money)…

Come on. You can entirely be upset outraged disgusted and STILL wonder about the seemingly trivial details about other elements of the story.

I agree Gliterella, you can't only look at the worst of what these people have done, you need to look at the entire environment to understand how they got away with it, and how they will presumably continue to get away with it. It's terrifying for me as a parent and if society has any hope of protecting children in future we need to understand these people and what enabled them. We need to question every detail of their sordid lives and we need to get better at not letting people off the hook because they are rich or royal as if that's somehow an excuse for their lack of morals. It should actually bring down the monarchy at this point.

They are all pond life.

Agree. I don't understand why we haven't had any other names?

I agree OP.

I don’t think everybody is like this around rich people. But it is truly horrible seeing what money washes away for people without any moral core.

To think we were supposed to look up to some of these people. Begging a sexual criminal for rent money just so they could keep pretending they aren’t like us. How many of us have to start again multiple times during our lives. I’ve known so many addicts and recovering addicts maintaining bedsits who were living a kinder and more morally worthwhile life than SF.

It’s odd isn’t it, I’m naive enough to be genuinely shocked by the Bill Gates stuff. And yy that one of Epstein’s many perversions was enjoying corrupting and dominating people. I suppose it’s a different manifestation of his abuse of children.

Mandelson is Labour

I don’t condone Andrew’s actions at all but I don’t find that photo particularly incriminating I have to say. We have zero information about the context of the photo .

I think there are a lot of people being protected who shouldn’t be protected and focusing on that photo is just a distraction at this stage

Not sure 'tipped off' exactly but he will have known that there was more to come. He knows AMW, he knows his personality.

The queen believed she was annointed by god. This gave her a sense of duty and obligation. AMW, as favourite son of god's annointed, instead of duty and obligation just has a very strong sense of entitlement.

AMW does not believe he has done anything wrong. To him it makes sense that young, attractive women would want to have sex with him because he is the favourite son of god's annointed.

The RF knows he is a stupid, vain, pompous arse with a toddler tantrum temper when thwarted. They will have known there was more to come.

But they are after cash…

I don't think the mega rich think about money this way. It's mere conversation to them.

Within this vile cess pit I do have one very shallow take, in the photos I have seen so far Epsteins decor is absolute crap.

I think that in these particular cases these people have no shame. Andrew and Fergie have been known to be venal and grasping for decades. That's not a surprise. Mandelson has had the reputation for being bedazzled by billionaires - which basically means he was known to be susceptible to wanting to be like them- approximate their riches. How else can he achieve it unless by his own work (as a paid for political commentator- not enough riches) or being bribed. Doing political favours for cash is corruption.

Epstein was building up blackmail possibilities for (to him) pennies.

Add to this multiple sources suggesting Epstein was state-sponsored ie a Russian or mossad asset. So Epstein would actively encourage people to compromise themselves so his paymasters could control them - a classic ‘honey-trap’.

This is beside the point but I don’t think the queen did believe she was anointed by God. I think, based on the various analyses of her rule and character, that she had lifelong impostor syndrome as she was acutely aware that she was only monarch because of the abdication crisis. This drove her dedication to the role and always wanting to do the right thing. Andrew though is a different creature. Arrogance and entitlement off the charts!

It's not the biggest issue in this story but more detail on her behaviour that day would be very interesting...

yes please!

Well it makes me wonder what Epstein was getting out of it in return. I assume it was more than silence about his disgusting activities…

Yes, I watched the Ghislaine Maxwell documentary that recently aired (would recommend) and came to the conclusion that an element that hasn't been discussed so much is class.

People are all "How could she, a woman, do that to girls?", but I think that it's simply that her first loyalty was to her class, rather than her sex. Rich people have always exploited and dehumanised poor people- usually for their labour, but there has been plenty of sexual exploitation down the centuries too.

It was just bad luck for Epstein, Maxwell, AMW etc that social attitudes changed during a period that they were at it.

I'd bet my house that the King only acted when he did because he knew this was coming out. Are we really supposed to believe the senior royals had no knowledge of what Andrew was up to? They're all complicit.