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If anyone is observing the carnage in Minneapolis.....

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MistressoftheDarkSide · 24/01/2026 20:18

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2026/jan/24/minneapolis-shooting-live

Guardian is running a live feed, and a good unbiased source is Agenda Free TV on YouTube also running live feeds from the streets there.

Obviously multiple versions of events being thrown about as it's very fresh.

Sending solidarity across the pond to any US Mumsnetters in the locale and protesting the awful actions of ICE and disregard of your constitution by the "President".

Minneapolis shooting: Governor Tim Walz condemns ‘sickening’ fatal shooting of man believed to be 37-year-old US citizen – live

Minnesota governor decries ‘federal occupation’ after another deadly shooting less than three weeks after ICE officer killed Renee Good in the city

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2026/jan/24/minneapolis-shooting-live

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NamefortheseThreads · 25/01/2026 20:23

I love it when women are told to stop being hysterical and to get a grip. It means they really, really want to shut us up and can’t.

DeepBlueDeer · 25/01/2026 20:24

Walkden · 25/01/2026 20:19

"Can you please explain to me why Noem is demanding voting registration information as a precondition to withdrawing ICE?"

Well no, because only Noem would know that...

My fault btw, it was Bondi rather than Noem.

But per my previous post.

"ICE are in Minneapolis to enforce immigration laws, but we'll stop if you give us access to electoral information"...doesn't make a lot of sense, does it?

Minneapolis is being openly threatened with ICE's continuing presence if they do not give the Trump administration the means of seizing control of its midterm elections.

Does this not ring any alarm bells for you? Again, noting that Trump attempted to overturn the 2020 elections...

Livelovebehappy · 25/01/2026 20:25

DdraigGoch · 25/01/2026 17:35

No, there should be a curfew to keep ICE off of the streets while residents are there living their lives.

ICE can fuck off back to the shithole bible-bashing red states they came from.

Why shouldn't people take photographs of the things they are doing? If ICE are following the law then what are they afraid of? What would they want to hide?

Edited

You dont think illegal immigrants should be returned? Guessing you favour open borders then. And I can't see that ending well for the Americans when they have to accommodate millions of people flooding in and swamping their infrastructure.

NamefortheseThreads · 25/01/2026 20:27

Posted by USCIS the day after Alex Pretti was shot dead by ICE.

If anyone is observing the carnage in Minneapolis.....
NamefortheseThreads · 25/01/2026 20:27

Livelovebehappy · 25/01/2026 20:25

You dont think illegal immigrants should be returned? Guessing you favour open borders then. And I can't see that ending well for the Americans when they have to accommodate millions of people flooding in and swamping their infrastructure.

Where did she say that? Are you responding to the wrong comment?

DeepBlueDeer · 25/01/2026 20:31

Livelovebehappy · 25/01/2026 20:25

You dont think illegal immigrants should be returned? Guessing you favour open borders then. And I can't see that ending well for the Americans when they have to accommodate millions of people flooding in and swamping their infrastructure.

Hi @Livelovebehappy

Do you fancy having a go at answering?

Why is the administration saying that Minneapolis needs to hand over voter rolls, ahead of the next election, as a precondition for withdrawing ICE from the city?

Why would ongoing, legitimate efforts at enforcing immigration laws be dependent on whether or not the Trump administration gets access to the information required to run elections in the city?

AliceandOscar · 25/01/2026 20:34

Livelovebehappy · 25/01/2026 20:25

You dont think illegal immigrants should be returned? Guessing you favour open borders then. And I can't see that ending well for the Americans when they have to accommodate millions of people flooding in and swamping their infrastructure.

Obama managed to return more illegal immigrants than Trump and I don’t remember American citizens being shot on the street.
Trump has chosen to do it this way, with maximum cruelty.

Walkden · 25/01/2026 20:35

"Does this not ring any alarm bells for you? Again, noting that Trump attempted to overturn the 2020 elections..."

Well no, for reason I have already explained.

Even in the UK, political parties make changes that favour themselves e.g allocating regeneration funds to areas that are marginally theirs, redrawing constituencies etc, voter id being weighted towards held by elders voters etc

I am aware that in America there are allegations that illegal immigrants are allowed to register to vote to increase the democrat voting share. I don't know enough to comment on whether these are reasonable beliefs.

I fail to understand about why being voting registers being transparent is an issue. Do Americans really have such little faith in the voting records / counting procedures / validation. What are posters here expecting un observers to oversee us elections ???

CaptainMyCaptain · 25/01/2026 20:39

Livelovebehappy · 25/01/2026 20:25

You dont think illegal immigrants should be returned? Guessing you favour open borders then. And I can't see that ending well for the Americans when they have to accommodate millions of people flooding in and swamping their infrastructure.

Bear in mind all the white Americans were immigrants who swamped a country already inhabited by other people.

LlttledrummergirI · 25/01/2026 20:44

NamefortheseThreads · 25/01/2026 20:27

Where did she say that? Are you responding to the wrong comment?

Nah. They are conflating issues to try for the gotcha.

Ie if you think ice are a bunch of facists akin to the ss then you must want open borders.

It's a flawed argument favoured by the hard of thinking and repetitive bots that go around in circles as they don't appear to be able to think beyond what they are told.

Its utter tripe.

DdraigGoch · 25/01/2026 20:46

Livelovebehappy · 25/01/2026 20:25

You dont think illegal immigrants should be returned? Guessing you favour open borders then. And I can't see that ending well for the Americans when they have to accommodate millions of people flooding in and swamping their infrastructure.

I didn't say that, as you know full well.

If ICE/CBP can't stop themselves from breaking the law and the constitution, then they have no place in law enforcement. They need abolishing and whatever replaces them (they didn't exist before 2003 and I don't remember borders being open back then) needs to be staffed with properly vetted and trained officers who have no connections at all to the present rotten barrel.

Alexandra2001 · 25/01/2026 20:51

Livelovebehappy · 25/01/2026 20:25

You dont think illegal immigrants should be returned? Guessing you favour open borders then. And I can't see that ending well for the Americans when they have to accommodate millions of people flooding in and swamping their infrastructure.

Migrants can be returned in a humane way, surely even someone on the right can see that, without bleating "Open Borders"

Or do you believe a migrant who came to US 10 or 20 years ago, married, has children (US Citizens) should along with himself & family all be deported....

If so how far do you want to go back?

NamefortheseThreads · 25/01/2026 20:56

LlttledrummergirI · 25/01/2026 20:44

Nah. They are conflating issues to try for the gotcha.

Ie if you think ice are a bunch of facists akin to the ss then you must want open borders.

It's a flawed argument favoured by the hard of thinking and repetitive bots that go around in circles as they don't appear to be able to think beyond what they are told.

Its utter tripe.

I know, but I got deleted for pointing out another prolific poster’s misrepresentation of the facts about the deaths of Renee Good, Alex Pretti and the detaining of Liam, the five-year-old boy.

So, I like to assume the best of them when they’re apparently inadvertently over countless posts, blaming the victims for their own deaths and detainment. 😇

DeepBlueDeer · 25/01/2026 20:58

Walkden · 25/01/2026 20:35

"Does this not ring any alarm bells for you? Again, noting that Trump attempted to overturn the 2020 elections..."

Well no, for reason I have already explained.

Even in the UK, political parties make changes that favour themselves e.g allocating regeneration funds to areas that are marginally theirs, redrawing constituencies etc, voter id being weighted towards held by elders voters etc

I am aware that in America there are allegations that illegal immigrants are allowed to register to vote to increase the democrat voting share. I don't know enough to comment on whether these are reasonable beliefs.

I fail to understand about why being voting registers being transparent is an issue. Do Americans really have such little faith in the voting records / counting procedures / validation. What are posters here expecting un observers to oversee us elections ???

Yes, in democracies accross the world, governments use, and sometimes abuse, legal means of improving their electoral chances. Gerrymandering, or expanding the pool of eligible voters, are examples of that.

What does not happen in true democracies if the government deploying (or continuing to deploy) armed agents against local municipalities, unless they hand over voter registration information (to which the Trump administration has no legal right).

That Bondi's demand came in the immediate aftermath of yesterday's killing, and by linking ICE's presence to Minneapolis offering up voter registration, it has been laid bare that the Administration is using the threat of state violence as a means of interfering in election integrity.

And...again...this is in the context of a President who already tried to overthrow an election.

How anyone honest-minded could accuse people of being "hysterical" for perceiving a threat to democracy in these circumstances is beyond me.

You present yourself as a non-partisan, level-headed person - if you truly are, then I think normalcy-bias and a lack of engagement are clouding your judgment.

Aethelredtheunsteady · 25/01/2026 21:10

Don’t worry everyone - innocent citizens might be being gunned down on the streets but dear leader has his priorities straight…

What’s a bit of state sanctioned murder when a ballroom is at stake!

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-presidential-ballroom-lawsuit-b2907325.html

NamefortheseThreads · 25/01/2026 21:13

DeepBlueDeer · 25/01/2026 20:58

Yes, in democracies accross the world, governments use, and sometimes abuse, legal means of improving their electoral chances. Gerrymandering, or expanding the pool of eligible voters, are examples of that.

What does not happen in true democracies if the government deploying (or continuing to deploy) armed agents against local municipalities, unless they hand over voter registration information (to which the Trump administration has no legal right).

That Bondi's demand came in the immediate aftermath of yesterday's killing, and by linking ICE's presence to Minneapolis offering up voter registration, it has been laid bare that the Administration is using the threat of state violence as a means of interfering in election integrity.

And...again...this is in the context of a President who already tried to overthrow an election.

How anyone honest-minded could accuse people of being "hysterical" for perceiving a threat to democracy in these circumstances is beyond me.

You present yourself as a non-partisan, level-headed person - if you truly are, then I think normalcy-bias and a lack of engagement are clouding your judgment.

That was a nice way of putting it 😊

Aethelredtheunsteady · 25/01/2026 21:14

I’m building, on top of everything else that I am doing, one of the greatest and most beautiful Ballrooms anywhere in the World, with more than 300 Million Dollars of Great American Patriots’ money, and working closely with, right from the beginning, the United States Military and Secret Service. This is a GIFT (ZERO taxpayer funding!) to the United States of America, of 300 to 400 Million Dollars (depending on the scope and quality of interior finishes!), for a desperately needed space, sought for over 150 years by previous Presidents and Administrations, so that the White House would no longer be forced to use a cheap and unsafe “tent,” for big and important STATE EVENTS, Dinners, Meetings, Conferences, and already scheduled future INAUGURATIONS (for safety, security, and capacity purposes!), on a very wet, and subject to weather, White House lawn. Making such a large gift to the U.S.A. was thought to be, by almost everyone, “A WONDERFUL THING TO DO” — But no, as usual, I got sued, this time by the Radical Left National (No!)Trust for Historic Preservation, a group that couldn’t care less about our Country! All of the Structural Steel, Windows, Doors, A.C./Heating Equipment, Marble, Stone, Precast Concrete, Bulletproof Windows and Glass, Anti-Drone Roofing, and much more, has been ordered (or is ready to be), and there is no practical or reasonable way to go back. IT IS TOO LATE! Why didn’t these obstructionists and troublemakers bring their baseless lawsuit much earlier? Congress never tried, or wanted, to stop the Ballroom Project! Everyone knew what was taking place at the White House — A great, big, beautiful gift to the United States of America! For those that are interested, the tiny East Wing was so “bastardized” and changed, built and rebuilt over the years, that it bore no resemblance or relationship to the original building. The so-called “preservationists,” who get their money from the most unusual of places, should not be allowed to stop this desperately needed addition to our GREAT White House, a place that a President has never needed permission to change or enhance, because of the special grounds on which it sits, no matter how big (and important!), that enhancement may be. Additionally, in this instance, it is being done with the design, consent, and approval of the highest levels of the United States Military and Secret Service. The mere bringing of this ridiculous lawsuit has already, unfortunately, exposed this heretofore Top Secret fact. Stoppage of construction, at this late date, when so much has already been ordered and done, would be devastating to the White House, our Country, and all concerned. Thank you for your attention to this matter! President DONALD J. TRUMP

Livelovebehappy · 25/01/2026 21:25

DdraigGoch · 25/01/2026 20:46

I didn't say that, as you know full well.

If ICE/CBP can't stop themselves from breaking the law and the constitution, then they have no place in law enforcement. They need abolishing and whatever replaces them (they didn't exist before 2003 and I don't remember borders being open back then) needs to be staffed with properly vetted and trained officers who have no connections at all to the present rotten barrel.

You didn’t suggest that an alternative be put in place, just that the citizens there should be left alone to get on with their lives. There were protests there as soon as ICE stepped foot in Minneapolis, so the protests were down to the fact that the process of removing illegal immigrants was happening at all, regardless of who was doing it. Obviously recent situations have put the focus on ICE, but I think the crux is the removal of illegal of immigrants, not about which organisation does it.

Walkden · 25/01/2026 21:35

"How anyone honest-minded could accuse people of being "hysterical" for perceiving a threat to democracy in these circumstances is beyond me."

Perhaps because according to many posters on here ice are already equivalent to the brown shirts and/ or Gestapo and the level of threat is being exaggerated out of all proportion.

People are acting like American democracy is at imminent risk of collapse / morphing into some dystopian nazi state. I'm not even American and have more confidence in the resilience of the US constitution/ democratic system.

People are entitled to their beliefs and welcome to protest. Go out and wave signs warning of "the death of American democracy Rip - could not survive trump." When it doesn't happen people can tell themselves posting on Mumsnet stopped it happening I guess...

When and if he tries to get a third term ot grant emergency powers etc I might be concerned - but I just don't believe that will happen

LlttledrummergirI · 25/01/2026 21:40

Aethelredtheunsteady · 25/01/2026 21:14

I’m building, on top of everything else that I am doing, one of the greatest and most beautiful Ballrooms anywhere in the World, with more than 300 Million Dollars of Great American Patriots’ money, and working closely with, right from the beginning, the United States Military and Secret Service. This is a GIFT (ZERO taxpayer funding!) to the United States of America, of 300 to 400 Million Dollars (depending on the scope and quality of interior finishes!), for a desperately needed space, sought for over 150 years by previous Presidents and Administrations, so that the White House would no longer be forced to use a cheap and unsafe “tent,” for big and important STATE EVENTS, Dinners, Meetings, Conferences, and already scheduled future INAUGURATIONS (for safety, security, and capacity purposes!), on a very wet, and subject to weather, White House lawn. Making such a large gift to the U.S.A. was thought to be, by almost everyone, “A WONDERFUL THING TO DO” — But no, as usual, I got sued, this time by the Radical Left National (No!)Trust for Historic Preservation, a group that couldn’t care less about our Country! All of the Structural Steel, Windows, Doors, A.C./Heating Equipment, Marble, Stone, Precast Concrete, Bulletproof Windows and Glass, Anti-Drone Roofing, and much more, has been ordered (or is ready to be), and there is no practical or reasonable way to go back. IT IS TOO LATE! Why didn’t these obstructionists and troublemakers bring their baseless lawsuit much earlier? Congress never tried, or wanted, to stop the Ballroom Project! Everyone knew what was taking place at the White House — A great, big, beautiful gift to the United States of America! For those that are interested, the tiny East Wing was so “bastardized” and changed, built and rebuilt over the years, that it bore no resemblance or relationship to the original building. The so-called “preservationists,” who get their money from the most unusual of places, should not be allowed to stop this desperately needed addition to our GREAT White House, a place that a President has never needed permission to change or enhance, because of the special grounds on which it sits, no matter how big (and important!), that enhancement may be. Additionally, in this instance, it is being done with the design, consent, and approval of the highest levels of the United States Military and Secret Service. The mere bringing of this ridiculous lawsuit has already, unfortunately, exposed this heretofore Top Secret fact. Stoppage of construction, at this late date, when so much has already been ordered and done, would be devastating to the White House, our Country, and all concerned. Thank you for your attention to this matter! President DONALD J. TRUMP

I want to ask if this is an attempt at satire, but I think it's so full of crazy it must be real.

Aethelredtheunsteady · 25/01/2026 21:40

Walkden · 25/01/2026 21:35

"How anyone honest-minded could accuse people of being "hysterical" for perceiving a threat to democracy in these circumstances is beyond me."

Perhaps because according to many posters on here ice are already equivalent to the brown shirts and/ or Gestapo and the level of threat is being exaggerated out of all proportion.

People are acting like American democracy is at imminent risk of collapse / morphing into some dystopian nazi state. I'm not even American and have more confidence in the resilience of the US constitution/ democratic system.

People are entitled to their beliefs and welcome to protest. Go out and wave signs warning of "the death of American democracy Rip - could not survive trump." When it doesn't happen people can tell themselves posting on Mumsnet stopped it happening I guess...

When and if he tries to get a third term ot grant emergency powers etc I might be concerned - but I just don't believe that will happen

I can smell burning and the fire alarm is going off but until I actually see flames I’m not too concerned.

NamefortheseThreads · 25/01/2026 21:41

Livelovebehappy · 25/01/2026 21:25

You didn’t suggest that an alternative be put in place, just that the citizens there should be left alone to get on with their lives. There were protests there as soon as ICE stepped foot in Minneapolis, so the protests were down to the fact that the process of removing illegal immigrants was happening at all, regardless of who was doing it. Obviously recent situations have put the focus on ICE, but I think the crux is the removal of illegal of immigrants, not about which organisation does it.

That’s like saying the Gestapo just needed a little extra training and if nobody had resisted them, everything would’ve been just fine.

Walkden · 25/01/2026 21:43

"I can smell burning and the fire alarm is going off but until I actually see flames I’m not too concerned"

One way of putting it. Another way would be just because tempers are running hot doesn't mean there is a risk of fire...

Aethelredtheunsteady · 25/01/2026 21:43

LlttledrummergirI · 25/01/2026 21:40

I want to ask if this is an attempt at satire, but I think it's so full of crazy it must be real.

Direct from Trump’s truth social. This is what he’s posting about while his country reels from watching an innocent citizen murdered by law enforcement.

I’m sure his defenders - @RingoJuice, @Walkden, @Gloriia etc will be happy to explain why we’re wrong to think this is completely ludicrous leadership.

NamefortheseThreads · 25/01/2026 21:44

Aethelredtheunsteady · 25/01/2026 21:43

Direct from Trump’s truth social. This is what he’s posting about while his country reels from watching an innocent citizen murdered by law enforcement.

I’m sure his defenders - @RingoJuice, @Walkden, @Gloriia etc will be happy to explain why we’re wrong to think this is completely ludicrous leadership.

All hail the naked emperor in his golden ballroom!

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