If anyone is observing the carnage in Minneapolis.....

[MistressoftheDarkSide]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2026/jan/24/minneapolis-shooting-live

Guardian is running a live feed, and a good unbiased source is Agenda Free TV on YouTube also running live feeds from the streets there.

Obviously multiple versions of events being thrown about as it's very fresh.

Sending solidarity across the pond to any US Mumsnetters in the locale and protesting the awful actions of ICE and disregard of your constitution by the "President".

Ironically your response to the OP shows you have little understanding of Irony.

This is how it starts…..

Huh? If you are legally carrying a holstered gun you are an aggressor?

That makes a significant minority of Americans constant ‘aggressors’ then in any situation on any day.

Have you ever been to Texas? Go to lunch anywhere a you’re surrounded by people openly carrying, in accordance with state law.

Presumably it would be ok for ICE to walk in and shoot first then? Given that almost everyone in the room would be an aggressor.

I'm giving you this in a gift link because really, all you need is functional eyes

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/15/video/ice-shooting-renee-good-minneapolis-videos.html?unlocked_article_code=1.HFA.7Q9v.btHS9l_poxHy&smid=url-share

They are following the rule of law. We voted for mass deportations, our Congress voted for fund them.

They. Are. Not.

They are required to be identifiable by badge number.
They are not allowed to enter a premises without a legally executed warrant

They are not allowed to shoot an unarmed, restrained man on the ground.

Added to all the bullshit they are perpetrating on the real natives of your country.

I understand you. You are scared. Not sure what of, exactly, but clearly you are petrified. But you have to observe the rule of law.

But well done, you just make our case for us. You have absolutely zip in terms of justification.

It must be very frightening to watch if you have family in Minnesota. I hope that they stay safe.

I will admit that I have been guilty of wondering why the American people are not doing more to resist. But you're right, it's easy to say from afar.

Renee Good and Alex Pretti have both lost their lives trying to peacefully resist. We should respect their bravery.

But the holocaust started like this. ICE are like the brown shirts. Hitler’s ruffians.

You missed this bit Sending them to god knows where , to no one knows where and denying them legal help would of any kind

Is ICE's job to violently detain anyone they fancy, treat them as sub human, ignore evidence that citizens they are detaining are not "illegal", traumatise children and ignore due process behind the veil of anonymity and dubiously conferred "immunity" ?

Because that is what they're doing, and that is what people are fighting back against.

I have long suspected that immigration policy in the Western world has been engineered to stoke hatred and division and set the stage for tighter control of the population. Call me a conspiracy theorist, because that's the easy cop out, but destabilising poor countries via military action and economic skullduggery on any number of allegedly "noble" pretexts while siphoning off resources and letting dictators run roughshod over their own people was only going to lead to displacement of people fearing for their lives and using any means possible to escape. And those people will be a mixed bag because humanity is a mixed bag. But the genuinely vulnerable vastly outnumber the willfully criminal and don't deserve to be collateral damage in conflicts not of their making. And nobody deserves to be brutalised full stop.

What is the point of laws, justice systems and due process if they can be overthrown in a fit of pique by people brainwashed by ideologies that seek only to feather the nests of a deranged elite who do not see "others" as human.

And the biggest joke of all is every time "God" gets invoked, and "Christianity" because everything OT seems to be the core, as opposed to NT teachings. I'm not religious but alot of the fundamentalists claim to be and the hypocrisy is breathtaking.

And now the results coming to a street near you.

I don't think Jesus coming with a sword was supposed to be taken literally, and how does one turn the other cheek when the vulnerable are slaughtered?

I'm in combative mood as today is the 4th anniversary of the death of the love of my life. I can feel him spinning in his grave, a hunt sab, a CND member, a champion of the "alternative" community, with many friends in the US and a passion for the country and its culture, including its indigeonous history.

So take me on if you please, a grieving, raging widow mourning not just for herself but for humanity itself and at the end of the line with the horrors of the world. I'm not looking for sympathy, I'm looking for justice. And ultimately peace. For everyone.

This. It didn't start with gas Chambers.

So you are

Anti-Immigration
Anti-Abortion
Anti-Free Speech
Pro-violence against protestors
Pro-Mass deportation

…I’m sure we can guess the rest of the list.

I have rarely seen such an astounding failure of logic in one post.

it is an amazing assertion.

MAGA in open carry states standing at ice-cream counters with an AR15 casually slung over their shoulder are exercising their 2nd amendment rights.

But someone with a permit and a carefully holstered handgun is an aggressor?

As we said previously: when the NRA are criticising you, you really need to rethink your life chioces.

If your response to this is ‘Stop Ice’ I can’t take you seriously. If your idea is ‘how can ICE do better?’ then I’m all ears.

would also like to point out that i agreed that if immigration is an issue ICE need to do their thing by following the law.

This is the level of argument we have. Everything we say that criticises those thugs is met with this bullshit.

CIVIL WAR AHOY

Decent people having differing views is fine.

People voting for violent fascists is not.

It's a shame that you seem incapable of making this distinction.

Didn't just show up, but killed two people and wounded a third.

We've been through this on other threads. I've posted links showing the similarities to the Holocaust.

https://www.ushmm.org/online/hsv/source_view.php?SourceId=49495

This one for example where citizenship was revoked.

@RingoJuice prefers to stick to their own agenda though, repeating the same rubbish over and over.

Where are you getting anti-abortion?

I am very, very pro-choice.

And I was supporting those pro-lifers being jailed because they literally chained themselves to a clinic door. That is not ok

In the instance of the father and child who were lifted were legally claiming asylum and they did have a right.

What's happening is that ICE appear to be randomly targeting people which ISN'T legal.

Asylum seekers do not have to be living in the community. They can be at a government facility and be heard by an immigration judge there.

This was the practice under Obama. So they can have their case heard and then probably get rejected. Because they are from Ecuador, so it’s very unlikely to be accepted

Also to add that I recall pro-lifers in the UK getting jailed for crossing the buffer zone.

Similarly, there should be some sort of buffer zone for ICE agents, they cannot do their job when surrounded by protestors (I know that’s the point, they don’t want ICE to do their job, but they cannot obstruct operations in this way)

That's a good summation.

And the federal prosecutor who was actually the person who prosecuted, and was continuing to prosecute, the fraud cases, resigned due to the government's actions over Renee Good.

So, just maybe, it's not really about the fraud.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/13/us/prosecutors-doj-resignation-ice-shooting.html

Well no, it’s not about the fraud here because most Somalians are actually legal. It’s a different kind of problem. I shared the link to the NYT earlier so you can understand the depth of the fraud. It’s bad.

But this ICE operation targets illegal aliens, as well as asylum seekers (who mostly have no case for asylum and they can be more quickly processed at dedicated facilities, a la Obama)

Nobody has yet explained just how Renée Good was going to kill him with her car. Even if she was driving straight at him, he was already really close to the bonnet. I had a car reverse out of car parking space in Tesco, hit me at a greater distance and it didn’t even push me over. I got a couple of bruises. Car she was driving, about 0-60 in 10 seconds and he shot her about 2 seconds after she started moving, it would have been going no speed at all.
She couldn’t have killed him even if she wanted to.