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To wonder if past trauma was a factor in the Renee Nicole Good murder and that, while not absolving agent, it shows ICE should select agents more carefully?

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Carla786 · 11/01/2026 20:58

Reading this from the BBC, I wonder if the agent was suffering from previous trauma. They had earlier been in the Iraq War and then had huge number of stitches after being dragged by a car while arresting apparently a 'child sex offender' illicit migrant last March.

Thus I wonder if, because Renee Good clipped them with the car earlier(as The Times indicates), shooting at her car as she drove past was less a rational decision borne from evil and more an instinctive reaction from recent trauma with cars on the job?

This is NOT an excuse. But I wonder if it also shows that ICE are selecting traumatised agents who are too dangerous, due to this, to be in that position?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdx4qd4d16no

Person wearing tactical vest leans toward a car with shattered rear window, broken glass visible, trees and houses in background.

ICE agent in Minnesota shooting was dragged by car in June

The officer was injured in a separate case that also involved a car pulling away during an investigation.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdx4qd4d16no

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GoodGriefCharlie · 22/01/2026 15:58

DdraigGoch · 22/01/2026 15:48

The protestors are not aggressive. The only agitators are the ones planted by the government. Like the one who masked up, started burning a US flag and scarpered when the actual protestors challenged him. Or the one picked up by that van.

Greg Bovino using chemical gas against the protestors yesterday was blatant. He knows he’s on video and doesn’t care. The same with the agents using the five-year-old boy as bait, not only are they doing something completely repugnant, but they know that they have the complete backing of the president to do whatever the fuck they want.

I suppose when they started off by shooting a woman dead they basically knew they could do anything.

DdraigGoch · 22/01/2026 16:05

GoodGriefCharlie · 22/01/2026 15:58

Greg Bovino using chemical gas against the protestors yesterday was blatant. He knows he’s on video and doesn’t care. The same with the agents using the five-year-old boy as bait, not only are they doing something completely repugnant, but they know that they have the complete backing of the president to do whatever the fuck they want.

I suppose when they started off by shooting a woman dead they basically knew they could do anything.

He's got small man syndrome. He's enjoying cosplaying as Himmler, see the coat he's got himself. He walks about shouting at people while flanked by burly men.

Gloriia · 22/01/2026 16:13

'Because the Mayor did not try to stoke unrest. That is another of your lies. He was quite clear in calling for peace.'

Telling ICE to get the fuck out is indeed stoking unrest. It would seem a massive stretch to say otherwise.

RingoJuice · 22/01/2026 16:15

Goldenbear · 22/01/2026 15:41

But fundamentally it's all wrong even if that was the case - it's such a violent culture.

You are the ones spreading misinformation. You make wild claims that you’ll never walk back, you just move on as if nothing ever happened.

Maybe next time you hear a story like that, you’ll wait for the full facts to come out. Usually it takes a day or two …

bemoresloth · 22/01/2026 16:20

RingoJuice · 22/01/2026 16:15

You are the ones spreading misinformation. You make wild claims that you’ll never walk back, you just move on as if nothing ever happened.

Maybe next time you hear a story like that, you’ll wait for the full facts to come out. Usually it takes a day or two …

Facts like when everyone heard Trump say Iceland but Leavitt said he didn't?

RingoJuice · 22/01/2026 16:28

bemoresloth · 22/01/2026 16:20

Facts like when everyone heard Trump say Iceland but Leavitt said he didn't?

wtf but whatabout this, whatabout that?

Try to stay on topic

bemoresloth · 22/01/2026 16:28

RingoJuice · 22/01/2026 16:28

wtf but whatabout this, whatabout that?

Try to stay on topic

Just wondering where you get your facts from

DdraigGoch · 22/01/2026 16:42

Gloriia · 22/01/2026 16:13

'Because the Mayor did not try to stoke unrest. That is another of your lies. He was quite clear in calling for peace.'

Telling ICE to get the fuck out is indeed stoking unrest. It would seem a massive stretch to say otherwise.

You should watch his speech in full.

GoodGriefCharlie · 22/01/2026 17:11

bemoresloth · 22/01/2026 16:20

Facts like when everyone heard Trump say Iceland but Leavitt said he didn't?

She made such a fool of herself with that one. I wonder whether that will be what gets to her in the end - not the representation and furthering of the aims of an evil man and regime with outright lies, but embarrassment of looking like as much as a fool as he does.

I think it’s likely Trump will never face any legal consequences for his actions, given his age and current untouchable status. But I’m surprised Karoline hasn’t thought about the long-term implications.

GoodGriefCharlie · 22/01/2026 17:12

bemoresloth · 22/01/2026 16:28

Just wondering where you get your facts from

I think you’ll be wondering for all eternity 😆

jannier · 22/01/2026 17:13

Gloriia · 22/01/2026 13:43

'Given that you ignore all of the evidence placed before you, I'll gladly resort to robust language to call out your lies'

Using robust language is fine. Insults aren't and to use serious medical diseases as a way to mock certainly isn't. It doesn't strengthen your argument, that's all.

I don't 'lie' I disgaree with you.

Why ignore everything in every post and just attack?
It is very likely he does have some form of dementia but as predicted that is the only part of the post you pick up on. What is your agenda?

jannier · 22/01/2026 17:18

Gloriia · 22/01/2026 16:13

'Because the Mayor did not try to stoke unrest. That is another of your lies. He was quite clear in calling for peace.'

Telling ICE to get the fuck out is indeed stoking unrest. It would seem a massive stretch to say otherwise.

Not at all he said they need to leave...that is the only way to calm down a situation you dont supress public opinion by militart action that is exactly what Trump is supposedly against in Iran, and what most saine people objected to in china and at Penn State.
The mayor objecting to breach of the constitution and protecting his citizens is exactly what he was elected to do.

GoodGriefCharlie · 22/01/2026 17:18

DdraigGoch · 22/01/2026 16:05

He's got small man syndrome. He's enjoying cosplaying as Himmler, see the coat he's got himself. He walks about shouting at people while flanked by burly men.

That coat is something else. They are acting with such impunity. I think about how long it took for Nazi war criminals to face consequences, but it did eventually happen.

Goldenbear · 22/01/2026 17:19

RingoJuice · 22/01/2026 16:15

You are the ones spreading misinformation. You make wild claims that you’ll never walk back, you just move on as if nothing ever happened.

Maybe next time you hear a story like that, you’ll wait for the full facts to come out. Usually it takes a day or two …

You've wholly misunderstood my point. Violence is wrong.

GoodGriefCharlie · 22/01/2026 17:21

They’re reporting on poor Liam Ramos on Channel 4 now. I think anybody that can look at the pictures of that poor little kid with his Spider-Man backpack and wooly bunny hat and feel anything other than horror is part of the horror themselves.

Goldenbear · 22/01/2026 17:21

GoodGriefCharlie · 22/01/2026 15:45

We’re arguing with people that know full well what’s happening, even to children, they’re just OK with it.

This thread alerted me to the 5 year old child report- just awful and this thread is a depressing reflection of some people's level of humanity!

jannier · 22/01/2026 17:22

RingoJuice · 22/01/2026 16:28

wtf but whatabout this, whatabout that?

Try to stay on topic

It is on topic its all about bad leadership anc criminal actions if someone goes as a leader to talk about a country everh nation is worried about and he is arguing about the geographical importance but cant even name the right country there is something seriously wrong. If the same oerson sends in paramilitary organisations to do a job in his own country there is domething really wrong.

GoodGriefCharlie · 22/01/2026 17:34

Goldenbear · 22/01/2026 17:21

This thread alerted me to the 5 year old child report- just awful and this thread is a depressing reflection of some people's level of humanity!

Agreed but I suppose that makes it worth keeping on posting, if not interacting directly with that contingent.

RingoJuice · 22/01/2026 17:44

Goldenbear · 22/01/2026 17:21

This thread alerted me to the 5 year old child report- just awful and this thread is a depressing reflection of some people's level of humanity!

Yeah …. about that ….

https://x.com/dhsgov/status/2014357350329532886?s=46&t=LHu5hEVEgoG4lIIfMesJGA

So the dad legged it and abandoned his kid. Now they’ll be deported because it appears none of the family have a legitimate basis for asylum.

Homeland Security (@DHSgov) on X

ICE did NOT target a child. The child was ABANDONED. On January 20, ICE conducted a targeted operation to arrest Adrian Alexander Conejo Arias an illegal alien from Ecuador who was RELEASED into the U.S. by the Biden administration. As agents approac...

https://x.com/dhsgov/status/2014357350329532886?s=46&t=LHu5hEVEgoG4lIIfMesJGA

Gloriia · 22/01/2026 17:49

jannier · 22/01/2026 17:13

Why ignore everything in every post and just attack?
It is very likely he does have some form of dementia but as predicted that is the only part of the post you pick up on. What is your agenda?

The poster said 'Dementia Don' which is using a serious and distressing medical condition to mock sufferers. It isn't ok. Bit lke calling everyone nazis who are carrying out immigatrion enforcement.

My 'agenda' is to challenge some of the batshit whataboutery and misinformation on this thread.

GoodGriefCharlie · 22/01/2026 17:49

God the depths of depravity to defend what happened to that little boy. Fuck me.

Below are the actual facts, although, back in the ‘there’s no acceptable reason to use a five-year-old boy as a pawn’ universe it should be irrelevant.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/21/ice-arrests-five-year-old-boy-minnesota

ICE detains five-year-old Minnesota boy arriving home, say school officials

Superintendent says Liam Ramos and his father were taken into custody while in their driveway and sent to Texas

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/21/ice-arrests-five-year-old-boy-minnesota

Gloriia · 22/01/2026 17:50

RingoJuice · 22/01/2026 17:44

Yeah …. about that ….

https://x.com/dhsgov/status/2014357350329532886?s=46&t=LHu5hEVEgoG4lIIfMesJGA

So the dad legged it and abandoned his kid. Now they’ll be deported because it appears none of the family have a legitimate basis for asylum.

It would be hilarious is it wasn't such a serious situation but some posters seriously think officers are going round arresting 5yr olds Confused.

DdraigGoch · 22/01/2026 17:56

RingoJuice · 22/01/2026 17:44

Yeah …. about that ….

https://x.com/dhsgov/status/2014357350329532886?s=46&t=LHu5hEVEgoG4lIIfMesJGA

So the dad legged it and abandoned his kid. Now they’ll be deported because it appears none of the family have a legitimate basis for asylum.

The DHS are the last people I'd go to for an impartial and honest assessment. It's a bit like getting your news from Pravda, only in English.

GoodGriefCharlie · 22/01/2026 17:59

DdraigGoch · 22/01/2026 17:56

The DHS are the last people I'd go to for an impartial and honest assessment. It's a bit like getting your news from Pravda, only in English.

Yes. Also they had an asylum case pending. This is literally the legal way to go about it. They were in the US legally.

Regardless though, what kind of a person would someone have to be to ever condone this being done to a little boy, regardless of his or his parent’s legal status. To then be someone that lies about it…

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