To wonder if past trauma was a factor in the Renee Nicole Good murder and that, while not absolving agent, it shows ICE should select agents more carefully?

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Reading this from the BBC, I wonder if the agent was suffering from previous trauma. They had earlier been in the Iraq War and then had huge number of stitches after being dragged by a car while arresting apparently a 'child sex offender' illicit migrant last March.

Thus I wonder if, because Renee Good clipped them with the car earlier(as The Times indicates), shooting at her car as she drove past was less a rational decision borne from evil and more an instinctive reaction from recent trauma with cars on the job?

This is NOT an excuse. But I wonder if it also shows that ICE are selecting traumatised agents who are too dangerous, due to this, to be in that position?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdx4qd4d16no

I would imagine anything that mentions his name is his favourite no such thing as bad press they say.

They've also murdered this man. Tried to claim that he "committed suicide" despite witnesses testifying that a guard put his arm around the victim's neck and strangled him, with the autopsy finding injuries consistent with having a hand or knee on the back of his neck.
apnews.com/article/ice-immigration-detention-death-texas-f04b5cb76f175255e58b947f0e14bc12?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=share

Do you get your UK info from Trump speeches?

Why wont they work with them? They are saying its becouse ice are breaking the law, are using excessive force and snatching anyone looking foreign presumably as your not there you dont know what its like your just compairing to your own area...thevtactics used on what were being shown definitely look excessive and the failure to investigate independently certainly suggests the government have things to hide. Where were forenrics and autopsies when the woman wasnt even cold before the government were branding her a terrorist? Theres a saying about proteeting too much that seems to fit the bill.

No not from Trump speeches:

https://www.rochvalleyradio.com/news/local-news/new-home-secretary-signed-letter-opposing-deportation-of-foreign-criminals-including-convicted-child-rapist/

Do c&p any 'lies'. Or do you mean because I'm not on the hysterical nazi!!!!!!!! bandwagon then I'm a 'liar'.

Ringo has posted fact after fact. Maybe reread their posts for some actual useful info to help you.

On chat forums you will encounter different opinions .

This

We'll start with the most recent, shall we?
I repeat Minneapolis need more officers as they have greater support for the illegals including their silly mayor.

Now, kindly provide a citation from a reputable source that says that Minneapolis "needs more officers because..."

That's not an opinion, that is something that you are trying to present as a fact.

The "silly mayor" comment we can ignore as it is clearly opinon (deranged as it may be).

A debate involves listening to other points of view, adjusting your thinking as you learn new things and adapting the questions/points as the debate progresses.

What we have with you is not a debate, its a constant regurgitation of the same shit that has been evidenced as shit. Nobody is learning anything new as you bring nothing to the table, so I agree with DdraigGoch that robust language is acceptable.

Autopsy of Renee Good says that it was the 2nd or 3rd shot fired at her which killed her.

Both were taken from the side of the car after it had already passed Jonathan Ross.

At which point there was no threat yet lethal force was used.

Sure sure, just Somalians engaging in widespread fraud and stealing billions of taxpayer money, funding politicians like Keith Ellison (sure he didn’t know 🙄).

Not to mention it’s a sanctuary city so not even criminal illegals get nabbed by ICE, because local authorities won’t cooperate, so it has to be a huge operation.

Also you don’t actually believe the ‘chemical
weapons directed at children’ story, do you? Gullible as hell

That would tie in with the video evidence.

So in the investigation on one side:

You have the ICE officer claiming that his life or his colleagues lives were threatened by the vehicle moving towards him and why he fired the first shot through the front windscreen.

On the other hand the threat had passed by the time he fired the second and third shots through the side window.

Since when did ICE deal with fraud? That's the FBI's job.

Chemical weapons directed at children? Certainly it happened:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/minneapolis-family-tear-gas-suv-infant-hospital-minnesota-b2902563.html

But you'll come up with some excuse to defend it, I'm sure. I'm still waiting for your excuse for the use of chemical irritants in the face of someone who was pinned to the ground, at point-blank range which could have blinded or killed him.

We’ve already debunked the ‘ICE takes detainees out of prison early’ story because you have failed to realize how sentencing works in Minnesota. Talk about never learning new things and adapting, it’s just not something you have demonstrated here.

So they were actually part of the protest, not bystanders and probably left their kids ALONE in that car. You are much too gullible tbh can’t believe you fell for that one.

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It’s playing chess with a pigeon replying to these two. The reason they’re making such easily disputed excuses is that they actually know the truth, how could they not, but enjoy seeing what’s happening to innocent people.

Having a conversation with people fine with five-year-olds being abducted, women being shot, men being dragged into the street in their pajamas, and restrained people having chemicals sprayed into their face is like looking into the abyss.

'The "silly mayor" comment we can ignore as it is clearly opinon (deranged as it may be)'

Look, we can all 'ignore' each other's opinions but we are still allowed to share them <it is a chat forum, obviously>.

What is 'deranged' about calling a mayor silly for trying to stoke more unrest in an already volatile situation? It's certainly not clever is it?

Xitter. Really reliable source there...

'Playing chess with pigeons', 'liars', 'bullshit' what is the problem with debate without all this very desperate sneers. I know it must be frustrating when people challenge your views with facts.

'Man in pjs', as said previously so what? People get arrested in all kinds of attire. The man in question was interviewed and returned home despite allegations of illegal roommates.

I'm not fine with anyone getting shot but in a volatile situation when someone isn't following instructions and behaves in a way perceived to be a threat I can see how these things happen.

The problem is the people in the US illegally, not the officers arresting them and unfortunately having to be rough when agitators are aggressive and refusing to follow instructions.

But fundamentally it's all wrong even if that was the case - it's such a violent culture.

Because the Mayor did not try to stoke unrest. That is another of your lies. He was quite clear in calling for peace.

"Let's show up with peace. To march, to protest. To hug one another, to love all the way with peace."

The best way to return order to the streets of Minneapolis is for ICE to leave. As the Mayor told them to.

The only people trying to stoke unrest have been the administration, from the President, Vice President and Secretary of Homeland Security right down to Bovino and his thugs on the ground. Calling the victim a "domestic terrorist", a "professional agitator".

Funny how the only paid agitators who really have shown up have been the ones planted there by the government, who quickly swooped in to pick them up when their cover was blown. It's just like during the Vietnam protests where anyone calling for violence was an undercover Fed.

No citation for your earlier claim, I note...

We’re arguing with people that know full well what’s happening, even to children, they’re just OK with it.

The best way to return order to the streets of Minneapolis is for ICE to leave. As the Mayor told them to.

100% - unfortunately the reason they’re there is purposely to cause disorder and fear. They’re there to punish people standing against Trump’s regime.

The protestors are not aggressive. The only agitators are the ones planted by the government. Like the one who masked up, started burning a US flag and scarpered when the actual protestors challenged him. Or the one picked up by that van.