To wonder if past trauma was a factor in the Renee Nicole Good murder and that, while not absolving agent, it shows ICE should select agents more carefully?

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Reading this from the BBC, I wonder if the agent was suffering from previous trauma. They had earlier been in the Iraq War and then had huge number of stitches after being dragged by a car while arresting apparently a 'child sex offender' illicit migrant last March.

Thus I wonder if, because Renee Good clipped them with the car earlier(as The Times indicates), shooting at her car as she drove past was less a rational decision borne from evil and more an instinctive reaction from recent trauma with cars on the job?

This is NOT an excuse. But I wonder if it also shows that ICE are selecting traumatised agents who are too dangerous, due to this, to be in that position?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdx4qd4d16no

I think your right Evil men can have a strange effect on some. Hes using Greenland to cover up both his civil right violations and detract from the Epstein files. I guess to hide bad things you have to esculate. Uk news is hardly reporting whats going on.

Uk news is hardly reporting whats going on.

From what I'm hearing from Minnesotans, European (including UK) news outlets are reporting considerably more accurately than the likes of CBS are, never mind the Fox propaganda network. Remember that it was CBS who have come up with some of the lies about Renee and her family.

One even said that relatives in Norway are better informed than their relatives in other states in the US. Other than the odd good piece in the NYT, accurate coverage in the US has mostly been limited to the local press in MN.

I get the New York Post on my Facebook feed. When I first followed it, I thought it was satire, along the lines of Southend News network. It took longer than it should to realise that it is supposedly a genuine newspaper. It's "reporting" is fucking dreadful, but the comments are something else

As I said, I thought it was satire, until I realised that the comments were genuine. I didn't realise that people that poorly educated and hard of thinking actually existed in the world. So full of their religious bollocks and righteousness and hatred for anything they don't understand (which seems to be most things). The Renee Good murder has been horrific.

They genuinely seem to believe that if they follow the rules, do as they are told quietly, then the ice gestapo will leave them alone. Comments about the elderly man dragged out in a blanket are full of the "ice said they had evidence of rapists living there, I don't live with rapists, it won't happen to me". Wake up sunshine, nor did this poor man.

The saying that there are none so blinkered as those who don't see seems particularly apt. Even when facism is right in front of them, they excuse it.

The tipping point is approaching and it's getting faster and nearer every day.

There were two sex offenders registered at his address apparently. They had those names, the man refused to identify himself.

Honestly, it seems like a case of mistaken identity. You have to accept that cases like this will happen in order to carry out mass deportations. Unclear if those sex offenders were relatives or perhaps prior tenants.

But opponents jump to ‘abolish ICE’ so they are fundamentally unserious.

Noem announced that over 10,000 illegal aliens in Minneapolis were arrested so it seems a fairly successful operation.

It’s a shame Renee decided that she would insert herself into ICE operations, and make erratic decisions that led to her untimely death. She should have just gone back home or to her job (and her wife had admitted that)

They lived in the basement appartment. The man was elderly and ill his family were telling them who he was ....elderly people are often slower to respond. He was removed in his underwear a pair of crocs and his grandson a child put the blanket around him. None of that is acceptable.
Im glad your happy that end result justifies any level of violence and error presumably becouse you are not of an ethnic group that could be targeted si your allright. Just people excercising their right to stand and say this is wrong by photographing, calling out, blowing whistles, following, standing on kerbsides, asking the names of the people bejng dragged away etc....including Ms Good should not be targets let alone of leathel force....a car that has driven past you leaving is no longer a threat to you you dont need to fire bullets at its driver. It was never a threat to him.

I also meant to ask ...
Why are Trumps deportation rates so much lower than both Biden and Obahma? Neither resorted to speanding huge amounts of money on a low trainer, uniformed army with no decipline who are unidentifiable....they managed it calmly and successfully even with the latest figures its not great in comparison. Sounds like it wasnt his priority dropped the ball and panicked when he realised prople were actually researching rather than blindly believing his lies.

Oh i care I just couldn't imagine living with the amount of paranoia and hate that is being posted on this thread.

Illegal enforcement officers have a job to do. No, they aren't arresting everyone with a name they don't like they are arresting people who obstruct them, don't identify themselves and/or don't have the required visas to be in the US.

Carry on nazi scaremongering though offensive though it is for those who suffered at the hands of the nazis.

'Why are Trumps deportation rates so much lower than both Biden and Obahma'

Maybe Biden and Obama were bigger 'nazis' than Trump?

From the evidence, this would appear to be a lie. Is it a comfort blanket you are clinging to?

And again you miss the point in any attempt to justify the violence and abuse and whitewash The Orange. They deported within the law with correct paperwork and not using a body of ICE that was created by Trump they did not scoop up violently like a trawler throwing back US legal residents after hurting them in the net. They also targeted criminals not people working through due process. They did not do it to remove the heat of a peadophile investigation in a way cooked up to cause as big a distraction as possible.
What do you see in the man who is a convicted criminal who openly laughs about how he views women and how hes allowed to walk into their changing rooms aeeing naked women whilst he inspects the facilities surley any woman finds that appaling and inappropriate for anyone let alone the leader....we thought our Party gate was bad we were not stupid enough to keep our embarressment.

I do hope that the poster is misunderstanding on purpose

its been explained a number of times that the use of ICE agents and deportation does not make anyone a nazi

just that ‘some’ of the techniques that ICE agents use, with what appears to be approval from the president, are reminiscent of the early days of the Nazi party before the holocaust

The entire world, including the Germans themselves, are talking about the parallels between Trump's America and Hitler's Germany.

If you don't see it, it's simply because you don't want too.

The entire world 'including the Germans themselves' are not talking about Trump and Hitler, some hysterical lefties are of course but most rational people can see if you don't have a passport and a visa you don't get to live where the fuck you like.

'its been explained a number of times that the use of ICE agents and deportation does not make anyone a nazi'

This!

I think we should question if getting your population to pledge allegence before they have mental capacity is the cause of such blind robotic following. I guess if your told as soon as you can stand that you must obey some will fall thtough the cracks. It worked in the days of producing servants and cannon fodder but know we expect morality not just blind obidince perhaps they shpuld wait until adulthood. I know im the army the pkedge to obey orders is moderated by within the law (or similar) but this poster seems not to comprehend that caveat. The teachings of God also seem to be adaptable

Missing part of the statment there.
Are you Donald distort the truth addicted to social media?

For your benefit...read the full post not just the middle bit.

'I think we should question if getting your population to pledge allegence before they have mental capacity is the cause of such blind robotic following'

Such an awful sneery attitude. You are suggesting that all the Americans whom voted for Trump don't have mental capacity?! That's a pretty xenophobic comment and tbh why some on the left struggle with debate and hurl insults instead. It isn't a good look.

No but in the evidence here some definetly seem closed to logical debate and have developed the ability to edit all evidence in one direction by cropping out what doesnt fit. People spouting obey obey dont protest just say im okay isnt want America was founded on...Boston Tea party for one example. Stand up for just application of laws not its okay becouse most are illegal...most isnt all justice is for all not just comfortably off white americans which seems to be what we are seeing.

You really should make an effort to open your eyes and ears, even just once.

My 'eyes and ears are open' all the time not just once. I just have a different opinion to you. Which is allowed unless you want to live a dictatorship where we all must agree?

All these allegations of 'yeah but no but they're arresting illegals now but what next!! someone with the wrong name!!!!' are just scaremongering and preposterous.

Immigation officers have a job to do those trying to obstruct them shouldn't it's very simple.

I think you need to look up he definition of xenophobia. The U.S. as a polity and a culture has systemic issues like Education, like their press that really have brought about electing a Reality TV personality for their President. This is obviously something that is identified by many Americans. In the UK we need to resist importing these ideas in the form of UKIP I mean Reform as like with Brexit we are voting against our best interests.

Are you living under a rock, the whole world is aghast and anticipating what horrifying moves are next - see Davos!

Xenophobia, the dislike of people from other countries. I think we can say suggesting that millions of Americans lack mental capacity or are blind and robotic demonstrates dislike?

Trump is more than a reality tv star, he's a successful business man like it or not., I'm not his no.1 fan but I absolutely support the enforcement of immigration and customs rules.

You've totally missed the point again, 'why' did Trump voters vote for him because he was a "businessman" or mainly because they had seen him on a reality TV programme. Were they just passive spectators when voting for him as they had watched him on TV or were they engaged in the democratic process? The philosophical and political fatigue is a manifestation of a culture that needs to be entertained and that results in politics that puts us all on edge, waiting for the next episode, like what is happening in Davos today, we are waiting to see what Trump says about Greenland and Tariffs. Policies looking at poverty, the environment, education etc. are boring in comparison, they are not 'entertaining'; so yes, it is important for the American voter to understand that fundamental shift away from civic virtue if politics as entertainment is to come to an end. It is critical for those discussions to be had without it been shouted down as 'xenephobia' which is really just extreme right wing shit stirring in disguise!