To wonder if past trauma was a factor in the Renee Nicole Good murder and that, while not absolving agent, it shows ICE should select agents more carefully?

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Reading this from the BBC, I wonder if the agent was suffering from previous trauma. They had earlier been in the Iraq War and then had huge number of stitches after being dragged by a car while arresting apparently a 'child sex offender' illicit migrant last March.

Thus I wonder if, because Renee Good clipped them with the car earlier(as The Times indicates), shooting at her car as she drove past was less a rational decision borne from evil and more an instinctive reaction from recent trauma with cars on the job?

This is NOT an excuse. But I wonder if it also shows that ICE are selecting traumatised agents who are too dangerous, due to this, to be in that position?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdx4qd4d16no

Agreed. It’s also incredibly evident from videos and reports seen from Minneapolis and other cities that they tend to drag you from your car or place of work or home, throw you to the floor and detain you before allowing you to show them your proof of status. Funnily enough too… What does ‘show us your papers’ remind us of?

How about the family of six, including children, and an infant, who were caught up entirely accidentally in an area with ICE. ICE placed a tear gas canister under their car which resulted in the infant needing resuscitation.

Or the teenage boy, a 10th grader, who nearly died by being crushed by an agent. That boy was a citizen although god knows why that matters.

I mean WTF? Really, WTF. Who are the people who are actually defending this? I wonder who we’re talking to on here sometimes. Do I walk past these people in the street that think this is OK?

It’s getting hard to have this conversation with people that are saying things so repugnant. Due process, give me a break. They’re getting away with shooting people in their head.

That is… foul. Really. Foul. I don’t think there’s a point in any of us talking to you about this. The things you’re saying. I just… yeah. I feel like I need to go and have a shower.

Something tells me we will be told all that is fake news. Its incredible and strangely timing is overshadowing the call to release certain files. We have seen him in interviews openly saying he used his position to entre dressing rooms of girls and joking about it yet women still love him

They just tell people that what they are seeing with their own eyes is not true. And if that wasn’t enough, they’re going by the age old trope of: it’s those silly women’s fault. Particularly those liberal women. ‘So, we didn’t do it, but if we did, it was their fault anyway.’

If people are being sent back to their home countries that is not the same as being kept imprisoned in a concentration camp.

Whether the prisons they are sent to back home are humane and ethical is a different question altogether...

The death penalty for blocking the road?

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Have you genuinely not heard of ICE detention centres?

https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/report/immigration-detention/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alligator_Alcatraz

The road that she also was not actually blocking, given that the video evidence shows her waving cars, including ICE vehicles, through.

It’s not complicated. They are abusing the asylum system and trying to run out the clock.

In Minnesota unfortunately a ton of those are literal criminals since Minnesota won’t work with the police to detain and deport those individuals.

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Oh give over, now you’re just being silly. Regardless of your views, there’s no question that the immigration system is complex.

It doesn’t matter though. There’s no excuse for what Trump is doing to human beings on the streets of Minneapolis, and elsewhere. There’s no excuse for what he’s trying to do to Greenland. And if you’re so concerned about criminals, then you might want to look at the convicted felon you’re supporting.

Ok so....it started with get out ..
What about the ones who are being dragged off of streets despite paperwork showing it is their home country?
We are talking about the whole vibe anf vioence the random you look foreign lets drag you away against any legal protocol not allowing phone calls, messages home, notifying the local police and beating the shit out of people based on percieved ethnicity or political leaning just like in the early days prior to ww2 the violation of humsn rights was the same.
After the war the emphisis was very much nothing like this must happen again now the far right ideals are taking route again blaming "THEM" for our financial wows to get people to band together and follow blindly, while others are persecuted.

Why are people who havent comitted any crimes, are applying through legal routes and who fought for America or the spouse's of American forces being rounded up, beaten up and deported. Why do you feel that is acceptable what have children ever done to deserve thuggish brutal treatment? It is not deportation people are discussing it is brutality and breaking of American laws backed by government that was never happened before that is causing the protest and you are saying they shouldnt protest despite it being a constitutional right ....protests got America where it is now protest is progress. Germany was by large to scared to protest and blindly followed the governments new laws now some Americans are doing the same. That is what people mean and your so disgusted to see the comparison your making weak excuses for unacceptable arguments.

It's all well and good to 'apply via legal routes' but the process needs to be completed before one moves countries.

I know Brits in the US and the visa and immigration thing is arduous and lengthy but you have to to it. They waited until all signed off before departing the UK.

This oft quoted 'thugs' and 'brutish' behaviour aka firm and not taking any shit is only evident when they ICE surrounded by screaming agitators obstructing them so they have to wrestle peopel to the ground. There is plenty of footage of calm arrests being made too.

Can you hear yourself- as there are some calm arrests made, the 6 massive men on one young small lad is ok, it's ok to use brutality (and you don't even know what is happening with these individual cases).

I can hear myself yes. We are all going on what we are seeing on social media and for every agitator getting pinned down and arrested as they are refusing to follow instructions there are plenty more of ICE officers asking people for ID and it all going smoothly and calmly.
Try not to get too brainwashed by the anti maga hysterical lefties.

Gloriia ·
"Try not to get too brainwashed by the anti maga hysterical lefties."

Says someone completely brainwashed by the right wing MAGA supporters. No critical thought at all.

How am I brainwashed I've seen footage with my own eyes of ID being requested and shown all very normal and calm.

The agitators are not representative of every ICE interaction.

Look at all the nazi stuff on here it is appalling how people are trying to incite hate and unrest.

Renee Good was an example of the "Nazi stuff", we all saw the video, yet you continue to deny it's truth and make excuses.

Nothing says brainwashed more than denying the truth when it's right in front of you.

Were not going off of lie Social were reading proper news reports and listening to your dekocratically electred and critically watching videos....were also looking at the injuries inflicted on the children who are released. Seeing your mates knee people repeatedly in the face until one dpots they are being filmed seeing them repeatedly hit heads on the ground whils 6 groen men sit on one woman. That is brutallity let alone the sexist racist language.

Oh, please. They are clearly brutalizing people. Tasering them. Tear-gassing them. Shooting them. You know this. At least own what you’re standing up for.

How are you feeling about Trump’s letter to Norway reported today? Your guy’s a hoot, huh?

He's not 'my guy', ICE aren't 'my mates'. Do try and debate like a grown up.

This thread is about Immigration and Customs Enforcement. If you want to discuss Greenland I'm sure there are other threads.

Out of interest do you think that Manchester police acted proportionately in tasering the three individuals and kicking one individual in the head at Manchester Airport in 2024.

https://news.sky.com/video/man-kicked-in-head-by-police-officer-at-manchester-airport-has-cyst-on-brain-lawyer-says-13184995

So this naety criminal otherwise known as an elderly American citizen had several members of ICE (6 ish)enter his home and make him leave his house in the snow, he was taken off for a few hours after they decided he was legal they returned him home. Was he resisting, why didnt they let him get dressed? Why did they think he was illegal?

Behave now Donald we all know its not every one but the ones who are rotten ruin the barrel and drag acceptable standards downm
Were not going off of lie Social were reading proper news reports and listening to your dekocratically electred and critically watching videos....were also looking at the injuries inflicted on the children who are released. Seeing your mates knee people repeatedly in the face until one dpots they are being filmed seeing them repeatedly hit heads on the ground whils 6 groen men sit on one woman. That is brutallity let alone the sexist racist language.