To wonder if past trauma was a factor in the Renee Nicole Good murder and that, while not absolving agent, it shows ICE should select agents more carefully?

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Reading this from the BBC, I wonder if the agent was suffering from previous trauma. They had earlier been in the Iraq War and then had huge number of stitches after being dragged by a car while arresting apparently a 'child sex offender' illicit migrant last March.

Thus I wonder if, because Renee Good clipped them with the car earlier(as The Times indicates), shooting at her car as she drove past was less a rational decision borne from evil and more an instinctive reaction from recent trauma with cars on the job?

This is NOT an excuse. But I wonder if it also shows that ICE are selecting traumatised agents who are too dangerous, due to this, to be in that position?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdx4qd4d16no

Why are you so desperate to ignore the parallels that are right in front of your face??

We could all go around calling Law Enforcement Officers nazis but it is offensive and not true.

Do you think people should just be allowed to ignore immigration and customs laws, perhaps we should do away with passports and just let everyone do as they please?

This frenzy by some to whip up hate for ICE is what is causing all the agitators to obstruct them. Don't be like that silly mayor, it doesn't help anyone.

I'm not calling all law enforcement officers Nazis, I'm saying there are parallels between the Nazis and the law enforcement agency who is currently pumping out white supremacist social media content, persecuting people based on their skin colour and repeatedly committing human rights violations. Why are you so determined to ignore it?

And no one has ever said immigration laws should be ignored, just that due process should be followed.

I think reports like this show the slippery slope has started :

https://www.projectcensored.org/detainees-missing-ice-alligator-alcatraz/

And

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/immigration/article312042943.html

And

https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/secrets-of-alligator-alcatraz-revealed-in-newly-released-data-analyzed-by-nbc6-investigates/3732176/

I don't see any other countries border control acting like out of control thugs.

Hitler began talking about the jews in 1919 death camps started in 1941....rounding up of undesirables started well before death camps....it wasnt just jews he targeted

That silly Mayor....the one seeing his people victimised, seeing the local laws trampled over and speaking out saying this is against the constitution....is that who you mean? Nobody is talking about all law enforcement officers....there not policemen they are not following the law they are breaking it and they are not even trained to the standards required for their jobs this yome last year or vetted in the same way. They are not identifiable in any way no numbers on uniforms, no faces, nothing nk warrents just you look foreign you shoildnt be here prove otherwise.....today they showed a toddler being held by agents while saying to parent come out and get your kid with your documents. What sick human does this? What mind says thats okay? What mind says its okay to stop a young child from going home off of a school bus? This is what you are saying is fine, would it be fine if it eas your child? If it was prove your not disabled, gay, unemployed?

Did you vote for thrm to pick up illegal immigrants under the lawful process that applied at the time or to grab anyone looking foreign off the streets and detain them until they could prove they were citizens?

You dont seem open to news i suppose Greenland is rightfully American and not at risk of being Annexed by a hostile state to rape its rescources

I would say that organisations like UKBF are responsible law enforcement agencies. Never seen them dressed like the Provisional IRA or involved in major human rights scandals.

ICE on the other hand...

This thread is about ICE and all the hysteria surrounding their actions. If you want opinions on Greenland I'm sure there are relevant threads or maybe start one?

The provos wore black berets, black balaclavas and blew many innocent people up. I'm not seeing the likeness tbh. ICE have to hide their identities as they are targeted by the rabid lunatics who scream in their faces and try to obstruct their work.

This is what due process looks like. You are suspected of being an illegal. Do you have proof in the form of a work visa?

Most US citizens are unaffected (those that are tend to be mixed status families). Usually the edge cases are issues around the asylum system (to me, all asylum cases should just be thrown out, it’s all full of fraud anyway)

Except thats not what's happening is it.

They seem to be missing the judge signed warrants when they drag people (a number of whom are US citizens not required to carry id) from their homes and cars. They don't seem to bother with legal niceties when they shoot people in the head either.

Or when they tear-gas infants and children.

They are also 100% not beyond presenting paperwork as a valid warrant when it isn’t anything of the sort.

Our local government and police, in concert together, have released guidelines on what an appropriate warrant looks like and what people’s rights are, regardless of their immigration status. They’ve also detailed what paperwork you should carry with you based on different levels of status. There are so many people that are in the process of immigration. They’ve done nothing wrong, it’s just complicated and expensive and goes on for years.

The point that’s being missed here is, apart from the egregious violence, regardless of immigration status people do still have legal rights.

Lol....like i thought all news is Fake news unless your president says its not then its definitely true even when its not logical

So why did they suddenly have to do this.... because they were breaking the law and hurting people. Do your police have to hide?

Yes many armed officers 'hide' their faces in many countries due to social media posts, doxxing and then targeting. This is not a new thing.

We are being told the Masks started last year coinsiding with the stepping up of targeting people outside of the legal warrenting. Does it not worry you that people can do things anonymously? Would you feel comfortable driving home one night and being stopped by a group of policeman in an unmarked car all wearing masks and no visable identifying number?

Well quite. Ironically, in the US, the people wearing the masks now are the contingent that got their knickers in a twist about mask-wearing during Covid. Something to do with government overreach (hilarious!)

Apart from when they were storming the Capitol of course. All good now, though. They’ve all been pardoned by the man that said he didn’t encourage them.

Exactly the rules are bendable by one side who only speaks the "truth" and every opponent is not only a liar but not a very nice man sounds like a comedy if it wasnt so dangerous.

Yes, exactly. My other personal favourite was all of the outrage about bodily autonomy when we were talking about vaccines and masks but when it came to women’s reproductive rights, it turned out the body autonomy was just for men. I guess again we come down to the ICE agents saying to women ‘haven’t you learned your lesson yet?’

Due process looks like randomly asking anyone who's not white to prove their a citizen?

No doubt you also think due process includes denying detainees access to food, water, toilet facilities, medical aid, medication, representation and choking them to death on occasion too.

No need to answer btw, we all know what side of history you stand with.

Here are some riot police from the UK. Note how the uniforms have identifying numbers on them which allow officers who abuse their powers to be brought to book.

Do you see any ICE officers with any equivalent of a collar number on?

Here are some Provos and here are ICE. I believe the term is "domestic terrorist"