Ice agent shoots a woman in the face part 3

[Moontan]

Donald Trump has now said its okay to murder a woman. Because they are doing it for people's 'safety'

It is interesting how far humans will let themselves be abused by bad people.

I was watching a documentary about jonestown the cult.

Some people left the cult

They said that the leader beat people, raped people, starved people. He made them do physical labour for many hours a day. He demanded that they give him all of their money.

And yet still hundreds of people followed him.

People seem to keep supporting a person and staying there. Rather than saying "maybe i was wrong and this guy is actually a bad person"

If you are so convinced that he shot her in self-defence, then how do you explain the 2nd and 3rd shots? They were through the side window so he was hardly in her path, was he?

I don’t think she was trying to run him over, but I think she was reckless as to whether her car would make contact with him or not. I don’t think anyone watching would say ‘he was nearly killed’ or similar, but I think had anyone else driven like that with people stood so close by, it would be seen as dangerous.

You at no point gave her "the benefit of the doubt". You have been blaming her for her own murder since it happened. Have you no morals at all?

The new bodycam footage that has been released bears out the old adage "Men are afraid women will laugh at them. Women are afraid men will kill them".

He lost his shit because two confident women were making him look incompetent.

As far as I can see, this is filmed on a phone camera, which appears to explain the dramatic angle changes.

I think the thing I'm struggling to understand with this footage is what has happened to the gunshots (they seem very distant to me), and how this man managed to keep hold of his phone if indeed he was hit.

I think I can only hear 3 bangs on the video, rather than 3 + a car crash bang, so either one shot has been cropped out of the video or the first bang we hear is the first shot?

I think the first band coincided with the first shot, he drew his gun before she actually moved in his direction.

What on earth?! 0 to 60 in 2 seconds there. Just because I made a post you disagree with I have a 'twisted narrative'. Some people are just so exhausting!

I heard a triumphant tone. I saw a smug face. I've already said she shouldn't be dead but all I can see on this thread are armchair warriors who'd egg her on instead of telling her to calm down and understand the situation she was creating.

They shout get out of the way to her...she did... they shot her

He clearly steps in front of the vehicle ...against ALL law enforcement training

It is relevant, though. It's horrible to read, I understand that, and I agree that the most relevant factor is her death, but a headshot shows a clear intention to cause death.

A gunshot wound to the chest or abdomen is far more likely to be survivable than one to the head.

It also shows the officer had time to aim. In comparison to the chest/torso, the head is a far smaller target, yet he managed to hit his target three times. It is also counter to his training; US LE are trained to target the chest because it is a large target in comparison to the head or limbs, and therefore they are less likely to miss and potentially injure bystanders.

Absolutely

Let’s work this through.

She wasn’t trying to run him over. That’s fairly clear. People in emergency situations get both physiological and psychological tunnel vision. They focus entirely on the subject of their stress. In this case the ICE officers trying to get her out of the car. So she isn’t focused on the officer walking in front of her vehicle. People also get flight response, to flee immediately to the nearest exit. In this case driving forward. She wasn’t going fast and he shouldn’t have been in front of her vehicle.

In his case, looks like fight response. Shooting not just once, which possibly could be defended. Possibly, I wouldn’t. But the second and third shots seemed like punishment (along with the ‘bitch’ comment).

All of this looks like poor training, bad planning and overreach.

I get the American posters saying, “you comply”. But at some point compliance is collaboration. And the sentence for protest, even stupid, risky protest, isn’t death.

If impartial adults were involved, we’d be talking about preventing it happening again, training, prosecuting this man (for at least the second and third shots), proper release of the information, impartial investigation and a whole lot of reasonable things. But Trump wants to ramp up immigration deportations. So there’s massive recruitment, incentives and a lack of training. Also there’s a sense of absolute power that is incredibly dangerous in public servants with guns. It was bad before (police brutality) it’s worse now (ICE killing someone, and Trump pardoning violence offenders).

Even if this man is tried and sentenced, Trump will pardon him. No question. And so is there any real justice in the United States right now?

Vile MAGAs on social media are calling for the wife to be prosecuted now.

Why are the gun shots muffled in the twitter clip?

At first it sounds like an impact, and the wobbling of the camera like a stumble, but the sound is muffled gunshots, and the camera is wobbling because he’s shooting her.

I think the video shows particularly the wife outside the vehicle acting like Billy big balls trying to get a reaction from the officer who doesn't engage in back and forth appears pretty calm.

Saw this on bsky and thought it was worth a share here. Fuck this shit sky high.

‪molly conger‬ ‪@socialistdogmom.bsky.social‬
· 2h
they didn’t leak it to make the shooter look innocent, but to make the victim look guilty. not guilty of a crime. guilty of having a visibly queer wife. guilty of liberalism. guilty of opposing the regime. they don’t seek to exonerate themselves, only to demonstrate who deserves to die.

Aside from anything else, if he was genuinely in fear of his life and feared he would be run over - in what version of reality is killing the driver of a moving car going to stop it running him over?

It's pretty obvious that killing the driver of a moving vehicle creates a more dangerous situation.

This whole "self defence" nonsense doesn't stand up to simple logic let alone scrutiny of the fact he was standing to the side of the car when he opened fire and it didn't hit him.

I am not wasting my time arguing with the propagandists claiming she was "aggressive". The video filmed by her killer shows that for what it is - a blatant lie.

This, 100%.

Yeh he looked really calm when he was shooting her in the head.

So what? Still not a reason to shoot someone. If you can't handle people mocking you without losing your rag, maybe a career in armed "law enforcement" isn't for you!

Yeah, he saunters off quite the thing after sticking three bullets into her and calling her a fucking bitch.

What is terrifying is how many posters on here defending this I recognise from the Middle Eastern threads justifying the actions of the IDF. Basically they seem massive fans of trigger happy bullies who think with a trigger first and don't care who gets caught in the crossfire.

If the MAGA far right institutions hadn't been spending the last 15 years conditioning people to not know right from wrong, and pushing out so much misinformation, people wouldn't be having this conversation.

It is sickening to me that people think it's OK to defend a man who has shot and killed a woman because he felt he could.

Unfortunately with the above, and those being paid to generate disgusting posts humanity really is being dragged down to the lowest possible denominator.

That this is now into 3 threads, and the same posters are repeating the same disinformation as facts whilst ignoring actual evidence is almost unbelievable, I would have expected threads to have empathy for the victim and her family- instead it's full of people having to defend against victim blaming and misinformation. If not, the lies will go unchallenged and some may think that the fiction is reality.

They are here. Fuckers.

And elsewhere on MN. I wish they'd piss off.