Ice agent shoots a woman in the face part 3

[Moontan]

Donald Trump has now said its okay to murder a woman. Because they are doing it for people's 'safety'

It is interesting how far humans will let themselves be abused by bad people.

I was watching a documentary about jonestown the cult.

Some people left the cult

They said that the leader beat people, raped people, starved people. He made them do physical labour for many hours a day. He demanded that they give him all of their money.

And yet still hundreds of people followed him.

People seem to keep supporting a person and staying there. Rather than saying "maybe i was wrong and this guy is actually a bad person"

He didn't like being taunted by a lesbian?

Testosterone, misogyny, hyper-masculinity, zero anger management, steroid abuse, PTSD, have-gun-want-to-use-it?

The fact that he just left the scene after killing someone is one of the things that disgusts me the most. Like it just didn't matter.

Frustration that Renee’s wife was following and filming him; annoyance that Renee wouldn’t get out of the car but was going to drive off and “get away with it” - even though he had her licence plate and could clearly have followed up on who she was and any misdemeanour she had committed (such as obstruction)

Note - I am not saying she had committed such, but law enforcement would have had an avenue to pursue and investigate her if he felt there was a case to build.

Thing is, if someone is driving directly at you, why WOULD you shoot them? Aren't you more likely to get run over as they lose control of the car?

As sad and awful as this case is, the deaths of protesters in Iran have drawn no judgement from anybody on here. Why not?

Um, because this is a thread about ICE. There are other threads about the protests in Iran.

Can we try to look at it objectively? Because when things don’t make sense, they often aren’t true. And her as a murderous domestic terrorist doesn’t make sense.

He is an undertrained, very stressed man who has been given carte blanche to treat people quite violently. He has a gun. He has been socialised to see people who resist as enemies. She is openly resisting. He’s angry, and possibly he is afraid. He’s in a high pressure situation and has to make a split second decision. His fight reflex kicks in and he fires.

Her flight reflex kicked in just before.

Which means he should be pled down to manslaughter or second or third degree murder. Wasn’t premeditated but was intentional.

Yet this one is far more popular, and the language far more emotive.

48 Iranian protesters have been murdered.

This is an example of what I said earlier about the left only seeing (justified here) fault in Western countries, and never ever others.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5472171-ice-agent-shoots-woman-in-the-face-tw-video-of-murder

I think this is a fair assessment.

WTF has fascism got to do with this tragic death?

There's no controversy over that one. Nobody is supporting the Iranian regime. Iran is not an ally of Britain, nor does it have huge cultural relevance, nor is news from Iran constantly in everyone's face.

This isn’t a thread about Iran, and Iran does not pretend to be either democratic, interested in human rights, or bothered about police brutality. Still, as we are apparently being asked to compare this event to protests in Iran, then Iranians appear to be braver than most American citizens as, rather than criticising each other for putting themselves in harm’s way and “asking for it”, they are apparently encouraging each other to keep protesting, even if they do die as a result.

Very sad to see you dismissing Iran on the basis it doesn’t have McDonalds and speak English (or something).

There's asking sensible questions and making useful observations and engaging in a thread with good and genuine intent.

Or there's spinning a narrative and being an arse for the sake of it.

I've read your posts and have my thoughts on you but I'm sure that as you post, your intentions will become clear.

Mumsnet is not an echo chamber, far from. It, but some subjects usually bring a consensus and I am saddened that the murder of a mum has brought out arseholes.

Does Donald Trump pretend to care about human rights?

There’s no right wing, white man at the heart of it, so the left wing here don’t care.

If Trump strikes them again, they’ll suddenly care.

Where do you get that from?

What influence does modern Iran have on Britain compared to the influence exercised by the US?

Nothing if you think the killing was unjustified - as made clear in the post.

What influence is exercised on us by the US?

It’s not “the left” at all.

It is human nature that one death feels like a tragedy and multiple deaths feel more abstract. We already have a feel for Renee as a person from her wife, ex husband, neighbours etc.

Additionally, this is primarily a UK site and the UK and US have been long standing allies, in WW2, NATO etc. What Trump’s government does has a larger impact on the UK than what an Iranian government does.

Ohhhh, and here was me engaging with you in good faith.

Never mind.

OK everyone. Sealioning, whataboutary, moving goalposts and trolling are tactics.

Back to the shooting.

Oooh, Donald, we love your tariffs, your comments about Greenland and your stance on Ukraine, none of that influences our behaviour in the slightest. Also, we wanted to invite you over for another state visit because we love you so much 😍. 🤣🤣🤣.

That's when they appeared last night.