To say that most people in the UK want illegal immigration to stop

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I recently commented on a Facebook post to say the majority of British people are against illegal immigration. I was asked by several other users what survey I based that opinion on. I responded with the question ‘do you think most people want illegal immigration to continue then? Because if not, then surely they want it to stop?’ I didn’t receive any responses to that.
Without getting into any political arguments or name calling and giving no ifs, buts or reasons for your view, please vote as follows.

YABU - I want illegal immigration to continue.
YANBU - I don’t want illegal immigration to continue.

Awful to see.

Err no they are asylum seekers. I don’t know how else to explain that it’s legal to claim asylum. Those who are actually illegal get nothing from the state and will do their best to stay under the radar. It’s nothing about “getting caught”.

perhaps in some cases the skill of jumping the housing queue and obtaining benefits

I should have said we should drastically reduce legal migration as well.

Coming here via boat may not be technically illegal. But they aren't presenting their documents to a border guard at a registered port are they? They are leaving many safe countries just to risk death again on the channel.

If I remember correctly it was only Ukrainian women and children coming? The men stayed in Ukraine.

We are an island. A small one. With finite resources. We cannot begin to imagine how many people would like to come and live here - and this is before global warming makes parts of the world no longer viable because of the heat. We - obviously - need to have control of our borders so that we can choose who gains entry. We CAN’T take everyone. We just can’t.

How many would you need to allow by safe route for Channel crossings to stop?

....in regard to you claiming people should stay and fight..... You re moving the goal posts on that argument.

Taxi drivers tell me many things, one once had that Nigel Farage in the back of his cab....

Could also lead to him losing his asylum status, bit tricky explaining that passport stamp, not too mention the risks in going back, its not for nothing few Western airlines fly there.

Immigration should be.

Where do we have a deficit of skills? Until we train up our own people to do something, we can allow a limited amount of immigration. Preferably as well from countries with close cultural compatibilities.

Illegal immigration - big no. Return them either to the place they last journeyed from or country of origin.

Some asylum seekers do have skills. Just since 2018 one person who found asylum here has won a Nobel Prize and another has won a Fields Medal.

But I assume you know that it is perfectly legal to claim asylum in the UK, however you arrive. If we pass a law saying otherwise we will be on a collision course with the 1951 Convention on Human Rights that we signed.

Those who enter illegally intending to stay underground are not the topic of this thread.

Yes because the men were banned from leaving, but still 100s of 1000s have fled Ukraine or gone into hiding and many refuse to fight.

Its not as straight as you would have us all believe.

How would you return to France, when France refuses? Gun boats? Marines? perhaps use our Nuclear deterrent?
Maybe threaten them with closing the channel tunnel?

I have no idea. From memory I believe it’s African gangs. If you watch Simon Reeves in Scandinavia he goes around with the bomb squad for a bit which is quite interesting.

There's also country of origin.

And sorry my tone of ‘err’ was in my head responding to glow up. Appreciate you yourself was trying to point out the issues.

Many of whom we cannot fly to (war zones) or they refuse as well... what then?

I'm not against deportations at all but i wish people would think and at least do some basic research.

As always, simply solutions are nothing of the sort....

Sweden had problems with Turkish/Somalian neighbourhoods & gangs when i lived there in the 90s, i was in Stockholm and there were places where no white person ever went..... their immigration since has been utterly insane & compounded the issues.

I might add, in complete disregard to the general population, no one i knew or worked with supported what their Govt was doing.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5JQW8DIrskE

This was Norway

I am not against deportations when a case for asylum really isn’t there, either. I agree we cannot support economic migration for the foreseeable.

But it is against the Convention on Human Rights to return someone to a situation of harm, and @Alexandra2001 is correct about war zones. No one knows what to do about asylum claimants without papers. PP mentioned upthread that occasionally this is for good reason but obviously it leads to abuse.

There’s more too it than that

• Entering a country without going through border control
• Overstaying a visa (the most common situation)
• Not meeting the legal requirements to remain in the country

You would send a woman back to the Taliban?

They are willing to take people back for money.

While entering without passing through border control is an offence, claiming asylum protects one from prosecution in international law (The UN Convention on Human Rights, 1951) and, to date, in British law.

If British practices change we will be on a collision course with international law

I think they need to look into student visa also, far too many are being issued. IMO once you have graduate you need to go home.

We must become a heck of a lot more harsher when it comes to immigration

We can probably find a way to get them there. I think it's very limited what countries have banned commercial flights (just Ukraine and Sudan). But I think even Sudan has some flights to there.

They can't refuse to take their own people, and if they can refuse to take them, why can't we refuse to take them in the first place?

Do you also think UK students abroad have to return once they graduate?

I am sure you can pay countries to take back their people,

Who cares that they face death, you don't.