Girl Guides are now GIRL ONLY!

[Iamwhoiamwhoareyou]

Following April's supreme court ruling, the Girl Guides have FINALLY made a statement and will remain GIRLS ONLY - Finally closing the door on admitting trans members or allowing BOYS to invade female only spaces/camp (which, would be done without informing parents that their daughter would be sharing a room with a biological male!) - I have a previous post in feminism chat for anyone wanting to read the previous thread on this

EMAIL RECEIVED HOT OFF THE PRESS 5 MIN AGO -

As the parent of a young member in Girlguiding, following April’s Supreme Court decision relating to sex and gender, we wanted to give you an update. Many organisations across the country have been facing complex decisions about what it means for girls and women and for the wider communities affected, including us.

Girlguiding’s governing charity documents set out that the membership and people who benefit from our organisation are girls and women. In April, the Supreme Court ruled that girls and women are defined in the Equality Act 2010 by their biological sex at birth.
Following detailed considerations, expert legal advice and input from senior members, young members and our Council, Girlguiding’s Board of Trustees has made the difficult decision that Girlguiding must change Girlguiding must change, following the Supreme Court’s ruling.

From today, 2 December, it is with a heavy heart that we are announcing trans girls and young women will no longer be able to join Girlguiding. This is a decision we would have preferred not to make, and we know that this may be upsetting for members of our community.

There will be no immediate changes for current young members but more information will be shared next week.

Most adult roles, including unit helpers, district helpers and administrative support, are already open to all, so we are confident that no volunteers will have to leave the organisation.

Girlguiding believes strongly in our value of inclusion, and we will continue to support young people and adults in marginalised groups. Over the next few months, we'll explore opportunities to champion this value and actively support young people who need us.

You can find our full statement and updated policy on our website.

We are proud to be the UK’s largest youth organisation dedicated to girls and is focused on creating an equal world for girls and young women. For over 100 years, we have been a welcoming space for all girls to have new experiences, support their communities, build friendships and grow their confidence.

While Girlguiding may feel a little different going forward, these core aims and principles will always be the same. We remain committed to treating everyone with dignity and respect, particularly those from marginalised groups that have felt the biggest impact of this decision.

If you have any immediate questions, we have our special support team in place, to give volunteers, parents and carers the best support we can. We are asking Girlguiding HQ, trading and country/region staff to refer any volunteer or parent who has questions about this announcement. Details below.

Contact [email protected] or 020 7532 3970
All calls/emails will be confidential, and the service will be open 24hrs, 7 days a week.
Find out more, including how this team will handle personal data.

Denise Wilson (Chair of Trustees), Felicity Oswald (CEO) and Tracy Foster (Chief Guide)

Fingers crossed we can make Scouts boys only now too. Both genders need their single sex spaces especially as children.

Scouts just for boys isn't popular though.

How old is your child, and at what age did you start using female pronouns etc if you don't mind me asking?

Why? Why should girls give up their single sex space to make your son feel better because you lied to him and told him he could be a girl if he wanted to? Thought you were a feminist. Don’t those girls count? Why should the fact you lied to your son mean they don’t get female only spaces? It’s on you. You did this to your don, now you have to deal with the consequences.

Trans people certainly weren't joining the Brownies when I was a member back in the day. In fact, nobody considered for a moment that a parent would enroll their son in the Brownies. He would have been shown the door if they had tried. What did all the trans kids and their parents do back then?

Good, I'm pretty sickened by the social media posts by Girl Guiding UK though. They've really let girls down by making it a mixed sex organisation through the back door whilst claiming it was only for girls.

I am also sorry for the male children who have been lied to by everyone, most of all their parents.

The complete disregard for the fact that female children should have spaces free from males will never fail to astound me.

No need because a) the scouts voluntarily elected to become a mixed sex organisation and b) there are several boys-only organisations to accommodate them (see Boys Brigade mentioned above).

Worry not!

Did anyone ask the boys, or was a boys institution just made thoughtlessly co-ed? I'm minded to think of the men in sheds thing where they realised men's mental health warranted a different approach so a single sex space was a good idea then in one town the wives decided they wanted to come. Just ill-thought and selfish.

I think this is a really good point and deserves highlighting.

Girls can join Beavers, Cubs and Scouts. Duke of Edinburgh is Co-Ed. There are no safeguarding issues within any of that.

On lots of levels, this decision is regressive and somewhat bewildering.

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS! Finally!

The biology ideology is scary. No, the other girls are not "validation resources". They are her friends.

Good news and good old fashioned common sense for once.

I have never in all my days, and there's been a lot, seen a Boys Brigade in the UK

This. 100 💯

Yes - I remember as a Guide we'd bellow out "The Quartermaster's Store".

You know, you've got a really good point! You should totally take that up with the Scouts!

Why? Why are girls not allowed a single sex space? You’ve even listed co ed organisations boys can join if they want, so why can’t girls have a space just for them?

No, he had no choice. It was your decision. Using the suicide as a tactic to manipulate and control is an abuser's tactic. Therapists always advise to never give in to it. Also, trans have low rates of suicide, even trans lawyers have admitted this, so the suicide lie is just a line to manipulate and control people.

I think males need to 'Be Kind' and more 'inclusive' to males. I am sick and tired of females being asked to 'Be Kind' and 'inclusive' to females. It only ever goes one way. We've had enough and we're angry, and we so no more. How about we start being kind to females instead? Just for a change? And realise not everything is supposed to be, has to be or should be 'inclusive'. That word 'inclusive' now almost always means erasing womens rights. The word never means anything good for women. It makes me shudder every time I see and hear it. It really is a buzzword for male supremacy.

What is kind about gaslighting hundreds of thousands of girls?

Using threats of suicide is abusive and the stars don’t support your theory about reduction in ideation following medical transition.

And, as I can't in good conscience not add this, and wasn't quick enough in my previous edit: if your post isn't making a rhetorical point and you really do have a trans child of Brownie age or so, please, please do your reading on the counter-arguments questioning what I'd call this ideology, and particularly on critiques of social transitioning, de-transitioning rates and the impacts of all forms of medical intervention.

I'm not sure why you're so bewildered.

Either the organisation is single sex or it isn't. Guides have opted to be single sex, therefore there should be no provision for boys on the grounds of their 'gender identity'.

Boys Brigade is co-ed in the UK!

Maybe there are more up in Scotland: they're usually loosely attached to churches and make use of the hall facilities there.

A lot of the Armistice Day parades round my way included both cadets and the Boys' Brigade. Come to think of it, I didn't see many Scouts or Guides in the pics. (I used to attend, both as a Brownie and as a Guide.)

Scouts chose to be mixed sex otherwise they were going to close due to lack of interest and more importantly lack of leaders. It was the right decision at the time. Might be different now - if enough boys ask they may do a vote. At my son’s scouts group it was run by all women - so let’s be grateful for it being mixed sex otherwise my son would not have been able to attend. Perhaps more men need to step up and volunteer.