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Girl Guides are now GIRL ONLY!

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Iamwhoiamwhoareyou · 02/12/2025 14:41

Following April's supreme court ruling, the Girl Guides have FINALLY made a statement and will remain GIRLS ONLY - Finally closing the door on admitting trans members or allowing BOYS to invade female only spaces/camp (which, would be done without informing parents that their daughter would be sharing a room with a biological male!) - I have a previous post in feminism chat for anyone wanting to read the previous thread on this

EMAIL RECEIVED HOT OFF THE PRESS 5 MIN AGO -

As the parent of a young member in Girlguiding, following April’s Supreme Court decision relating to sex and gender, we wanted to give you an update. Many organisations across the country have been facing complex decisions about what it means for girls and women and for the wider communities affected, including us.

Girlguiding’s governing charity documents set out that the membership and people who benefit from our organisation are girls and women. In April, the Supreme Court ruled that girls and women are defined in the Equality Act 2010 by their biological sex at birth.
Following detailed considerations, expert legal advice and input from senior members, young members and our Council, Girlguiding’s Board of Trustees has made the difficult decision that Girlguiding must change Girlguiding must change, following the Supreme Court’s ruling.

From today, 2 December, it is with a heavy heart that we are announcing trans girls and young women will no longer be able to join Girlguiding. This is a decision we would have preferred not to make, and we know that this may be upsetting for members of our community.

There will be no immediate changes for current young members but more information will be shared next week.

Most adult roles, including unit helpers, district helpers and administrative support, are already open to all, so we are confident that no volunteers will have to leave the organisation.

Girlguiding believes strongly in our value of inclusion, and we will continue to support young people and adults in marginalised groups. Over the next few months, we'll explore opportunities to champion this value and actively support young people who need us.

You can find our full statement and updated policy on our website.

We are proud to be the UK’s largest youth organisation dedicated to girls and is focused on creating an equal world for girls and young women. For over 100 years, we have been a welcoming space for all girls to have new experiences, support their communities, build friendships and grow their confidence.

While Girlguiding may feel a little different going forward, these core aims and principles will always be the same. We remain committed to treating everyone with dignity and respect, particularly those from marginalised groups that have felt the biggest impact of this decision.

If you have any immediate questions, we have our special support team in place, to give volunteers, parents and carers the best support we can. We are asking Girlguiding HQ, trading and country/region staff to refer any volunteer or parent who has questions about this announcement. Details below.

Contact [email protected] or 020 7532 3970
All calls/emails will be confidential, and the service will be open 24hrs, 7 days a week.
Find out more, including how this team will handle personal data.

Denise Wilson (Chair of Trustees), Felicity Oswald (CEO) and Tracy Foster (Chief Guide)

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netflixfan · 02/12/2025 15:15

Although I might have continued with my boring, sloppily run troupe if there had been boys 🤣

SapphireSeptember · 02/12/2025 15:17

About fucking time!

PullingOutHair123 · 02/12/2025 15:18

This has been... interesting?? times. Guiding definitely made the wrong call in this debate, and I'm glad they have u-turned.

Not that they were/are the only ones.

I hope that lessons were learned in all this. There are young kids who have been told they are trans, or encouraged to believe they are incorrectly, who have a tough time ahead of them. Organisations like Guiding encouraging and validating these messages bear some of the responsibility.

Mummyoflittledragon · 02/12/2025 15:18

Helpwithdivorce · 02/12/2025 14:56

I posted ages ago about a trans 4 year old on my waiting list for rainbows. I am extremely pleased that I now do not have to offer a place to this child. The whole thing made me extremely uncomfortable

Wow, I expect you are relieved!

SnipThoseApronStrings · 02/12/2025 15:21

Good

Well1mBack · 02/12/2025 15:21

Helpwithdivorce · 02/12/2025 14:56

I posted ages ago about a trans 4 year old on my waiting list for rainbows. I am extremely pleased that I now do not have to offer a place to this child. The whole thing made me extremely uncomfortable

This is actually insane. That poor, confused child is being let down by their parents/guardians. My four year old currently wants to a: dinosaur, a fire truck, a fairy princess, a cat, a girl with a hat (he's quite specific when playing), a volcano and even a unicorn. I play with him and pretend he's all of these things because he is FOUR FUCKING YEARS OLD.

Whoever that child is whose parents are telling him he's actually a girl are INSANE. What a safeguarding nightmare. This whole ideology is a safeguarding nightmare.

Wildchild60s · 02/12/2025 15:23

Excellent news.

NoFineBalance · 02/12/2025 15:27

Slow hand clap. I've brought this up time and time again as a leader in safeguarding training, only to be met with a wall of silence or hostility.

Hopefully, going forward, wrt the boys already in Guiding, we can actually treat them as boys and not require our girl guides to share toilets and tents with them against their will and outside the knowledge of their parents.

Heavy heart? Fuck off GGUK!

HolidayHattie · 02/12/2025 15:28

No new trans girls can join, but any already "in" can stay. How can that possibly work?

LucyMonth · 02/12/2025 15:28

Helpwithdivorce · 02/12/2025 14:56

I posted ages ago about a trans 4 year old on my waiting list for rainbows. I am extremely pleased that I now do not have to offer a place to this child. The whole thing made me extremely uncomfortable

This utterly baffles me.

Are people seriously concerned a 4 year old male is going to cause harm to their girls? But no one has ever questioned the fact that grown adult men are involved in Girl Guides all the time. Even if they aren’t part of the actual organisation they are often involved in the locations where the camps are run and the activities they do.

30 years ago a grown adult man locked me in a wardrobe as a punishment (fork through the door handles) for chatting in the bunks at night on a Guides camp. I was 10. The things people focus on regarding women and girls safety is moral panic hysteria and has zero grounding in the reality of the dangers kids face.

People merrily dropping their 10 year old girls at a mates house for a sleep over with grown adult men or teen boys in the house who they don’t know, but God forbid a 4 year old boy joins Rainbows.

Millytante · 02/12/2025 15:28

twilightcafe · 02/12/2025 15:14

What a mealy-mouthed statement.

Isnt it? With an attitude like that I’d not have wanted a young daughter of mine to be in the Guides at all.
What a bloody absurd idea, having boys in the Guides. A more important ‘girls-only’ idea it’s hard to imagine. Yet it seems they capitulated to the demands of boys without any argument. Great life lesson there, for young girls! 🤬

(Last contact I had meself was as a Brownie, circa 1963/4. I was a Leprechaun on account of my name, something else that’s probably infra dig there now!)

NoFineBalance · 02/12/2025 15:28

HolidayHattie · 02/12/2025 15:28

No new trans girls can join, but any already "in" can stay. How can that possibly work?

Hopefully by everyone being fully informed that they are boys!

Tamarastar · 02/12/2025 15:33

It's a good start but they don't seem to understand (or certainly won't acknowledge) that many mums feel relief at the fact GG will be girls only again. And many girls too.

Am still a bit unsure as they seem to be stating men who ID as women will still be leaders, which raises some safeguarding issues , especially for girls and young leaders (all the ones I know are female) at residentials....

Grammarnut · 02/12/2025 15:34

LucyMonth · 02/12/2025 15:28

This utterly baffles me.

Are people seriously concerned a 4 year old male is going to cause harm to their girls? But no one has ever questioned the fact that grown adult men are involved in Girl Guides all the time. Even if they aren’t part of the actual organisation they are often involved in the locations where the camps are run and the activities they do.

30 years ago a grown adult man locked me in a wardrobe as a punishment (fork through the door handles) for chatting in the bunks at night on a Guides camp. I was 10. The things people focus on regarding women and girls safety is moral panic hysteria and has zero grounding in the reality of the dangers kids face.

People merrily dropping their 10 year old girls at a mates house for a sleep over with grown adult men or teen boys in the house who they don’t know, but God forbid a 4 year old boy joins Rainbows.

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The sadness is that his parents are telling him he is a girl, and he is a boy. Very poor outcome is likely. Perhaps he should have joined Rainbows and been treated there as a boy?

ScreamingBeans · 02/12/2025 15:34

Oh how sad it must be for them to have to obey the law and fulfill the purpose for which their organization was actually set up to begin with.

I trust that they will remind the girls regularly, how sad they are to have to put their feelings before those of boys. I wouldn't like to think that there's an organization in the country where girls at a formative age might think that they can get on with enjoying stuff without accommodating and pandering to boys. It will be terrible if somewhere in this country, there were a group of girls getting on with doing things without centering boys and the tone of this statement reassures me that those girls will always be reminded but they're not quite as important as boys.

What a shower.

Zebedee999 · 02/12/2025 15:34

If my grandparents were able to visit the Uk today (all long dead) they would be baffled by so much. This GG decision today not least.

Repeated governments have allowed the batsh1t bonkers elements to get a grip in virtually all government departments including judiciary etc.

Millytante · 02/12/2025 15:36

ScreamingBeans · 02/12/2025 15:34

Oh how sad it must be for them to have to obey the law and fulfill the purpose for which their organization was actually set up to begin with.

I trust that they will remind the girls regularly, how sad they are to have to put their feelings before those of boys. I wouldn't like to think that there's an organization in the country where girls at a formative age might think that they can get on with enjoying stuff without accommodating and pandering to boys. It will be terrible if somewhere in this country, there were a group of girls getting on with doing things without centering boys and the tone of this statement reassures me that those girls will always be reminded but they're not quite as important as boys.

What a shower.

Exactamente!

borntobequiet · 02/12/2025 15:37

Good news, but what a grudging attitude. Also, I can’t understand why it shouldn’t be an all-female organisation, adult volunteers included.

HermioneWeasley · 02/12/2025 15:39

I’d like quite a bit more detail on how trans identified volunteers will be treated because previously adult males were allowed to supervise changing, showering etc as though they were women

user1471538275 · 02/12/2025 15:40

At last. The wheedling statement of 'so so sorry' I could have done without.

As said before I hope they are not using 'inclusion' to compel speech or acceptance of trans identifying men as women in their organisation. No issue with them having male volunteers, if that has been the decision made by girlguiding, but they must be acknowledged to be men, with the required safeguarding of that status.

Christmascaketime · 02/12/2025 15:40

So glad I’ve read the comments on here. Feel like I’m in a parallel universe reading comments on girlguiding facebook.
If you are a charitable organisation for girls and women you can only admit girls and women that are legally girls and women as per Supreme Court ruling.
If they want to admit biological males then do what scouts did and change to mixed sex organisation.
The tone of the email and delay at following the law isn’t acceptable.
Scouting has plenty of female leaders and female young members. If your biologically male child wants to join a uniformed organisation join that.

shuggles · 02/12/2025 15:42

@Iamwhoiamwhoareyou or allowing BOYS to invade female only spaces/camp

Do you really think young pre-pubescent boys would be wanting to invade a space for girls only?

user1471538275 · 02/12/2025 15:45

@LucyMonth This important thing is knowing who is who - if you knew that your child was staying in a house with men, you could make a decision about that.

At the moment your daughter can be going on guide camp, with you being told that they are staying with girls and being supervised by women, when actually they are staying with boys and being supervised by men.

We need accurate information.

gogomomo2 · 02/12/2025 15:46

@Well1mBack

trans children do exist. We have a relative who at 4 insisted they were a boy, refused to wear girls clothes etc and this was pre smartphone, pre social media, pre home internet even. He’s happily fully transitioned and 30 now. Trust me, nobody wants this for their child and nobody understood it at all at that time, had enough issues getting people to accept that homosexuality existed then!

AnticsRoadshow · 02/12/2025 15:47

Absolutely great news!!!!!!!

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